Death toll from heat at hajj pilgrimage in Saudi Arabia passes 900
Death toll from heat at hajj pilgrimage in Saudi Arabia passes 900
Temperatures hit 51.8°C in Mecca, Islam's holiest city, on Monday, as 1.8 million people took part in the annual pilgrimage.
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Unpopular opinion, if you venture out into the desert in 125 degree heat because you think a wizard in the sky will be mad at you if you don't? We can afford to lose you.
Is the issue here really that they were practicing their religion, or is the issue the 125°F heat?
you can simply choose not to commit suicide by willingly going to a place thats 125° and standing in the sun
Yeah agreed. I'm just saying what's the difference between someone choosing to subject themselves to that heat for religion vs someone who chose to do it for some other reason. I'm not religious, but the fact that someone else died practicing what they believe doesn't make me happy. The initial comment I replied to is just feeding into the atheism circle-jerk that's really common here.
The point is that someone willing to die in the heat for something that doesn't exist probably isn't the most useful to society. It doesn't have to make you happy
why hate on them if you don't understand them? I honestly couldn't care less about religion personally, but I don't go out of my way to say they're stupid. sounds like you think the Muslim religion is stupid and so you're projecting onto Muslims and saying they're stupid because you personally think the religion is stupid.
No I don't care if people practice religion. But if you willingly go out out in deadly heat because of it, that makes you stupid. If they were doing it because of another reason I'd call that stupid too.
It’s not really easy for us to tell who’s useful for society, even less so if you want to be even a little bit objective. If your metric is intelligence, that’s not a good one (depression, substance use disorder, and many other things that don’t make for a super happy or functional person are correlated with intelligence).
I'm not talking about intelligence. There's lots of intelligent religious people. I'm talking about people killing themselves because their religious leaders want them to pray in 120° heat in the sun. Unless you're being forced, if you willingly doing that, you're an idiot.
There’s going to be unintended consequences if you intentionally get rid of agreeable, optimistic people.
When did I ever say I wanted to intentionally get rid of people?
That’s fair, sorry. There’s going to be unintended consequences if agreeable, optimistic people are suddenly gone from the population, which the original removed comment starting this thread suggested wasn’t an issue.
Yes
if you hate Muslims and think they're stupid, just say so and don't beat around the bush. anybody with any sense of empathy and an adult brain should understand that people have religious duties they feel a calling for and that being religious doesn't not earn somebody painful death or callousness from society upon it.
I’m not empathetic to people who practice a religion where they believe homosexuals are morally wrong.
My adult brain comprehends that just fine.
So, pretty much every religion, then? Not that I disagree with you.
Seems like you dislike people being intolerant of others.
...and you choose to manifest that by being intolerant yourself.
That's the paradox of tolerance, and how we maintain a tolerant culture, by not allowing intolerance to flourish.
Sounds like OP looks down on religious zealots. I get the impression that they would have equal distain for people of other religions who choose follow their imaginary friend, and aren't singling out Muslims.
I wouldn't say OP hates zealots. he seems to hate the fact they believe in some wizard in the sky, referencing God or Allah. That's hating them for their fundamental beliefs there and not crazy fanaticism. but I agree that OP probably hates all the religious people and not just Muslims.
OP said nothing about Muslims specifically.
The thread is about Muslims practicing religion. He didn't have to say it, you can infer it from context.
Well, yes, but the individuals involved are not the main point here. The point is the earth is getting hotter really quickly and humanity needs to pull it's head out of its ass and stop causing it.
As this trend continues we're going to see more and more situations where previously safe choices have suddenly become unsafe and situations where there are no safe choices. Focussing on individual "bad choices" by people in developing countries is, sorry, idiotic and tragic.
Climate change will eventually affect you or someone you care about and when it does there will be some dufus on the internet going "duh, shouldn't have bought a house in tornado alley" or "don't drive through floodwaters, fool" as if it was your fault. Maybe then you'll remember this post but probably not.
Great humanist values there, pal 👍
I think it’s more “will reward you if you do”, not that that makes it better.
That's not how it works there. These are most likely poor people forced to work in these types of conditions. It's essentially modern day slavery
You actually get to meet Allah. World's best pilgrimage.