R(ul)evenge USA edition
R(ul)evenge USA edition
The discourse on American politics sometimes devolves to "Leftists who won't vote" & "MAGA Republicans" teaming up to "getting revenge on liberals".
R(ul)evenge USA edition
The discourse on American politics sometimes devolves to "Leftists who won't vote" & "MAGA Republicans" teaming up to "getting revenge on liberals".
If you aren't familiar with Project 2025 there's a good video deep dive here: https://youtu.be/dk7sCJalxAo
MAGA wants revenge and it isn't limited to just liberals.
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I'm shocked and dismayed to see "Protest both candidates by telling them you'd be okay with either" on 196 of all places.
If you don't vote for Biden, Trump is gonna win. You guys know that, right?
Tell the DNC to get their head out of their ass?
Because that totally worked in 2026 right? They obviously just need to lose to Trump and they will suddenly realize the error of their ways and become a full leftist party overnight. All we need to do to save America from the evil DNC is let Trump win again! It makes perfect sense!
Maybe so but that's not helping
Yes but what about the horrible things Biden is doing that Trump will also do plus a fuckton more?
It’s an astroturfing campaign by the fascist right.
They’ve infected Lemmy.
I want to believe that. I really do. But after reading the comments on this post I don't think I can
but if I vote for Biden, he might win. I don't want that, either
Well, one of them is going to, and it might as well be the one who doesn't think climate change is made up and campaign on how miserable he's going to make the lives of gay and trans people.
Oh, and funnel arms to Israel even faster than Biden currently is.
Gather around for a personal story.
The year was 2015 and a friend who lives in a school bus visited town. We were all smoking weed in his bus and he said "Oh please let Clinton loose". I asked WTF are you thinking? And he responded that he spent lots of time protesting and that it didn't work because people weren't listening. It seems no matter how many terrible fascists get elected, liberals still won't listen to him.
Liberals never pay attention to popular protests unless the talking heads on TV tell them to.
I lost my faith in American "Democracy" during Occupy Wall Street, when the national media completely shut out any of the actual demands being made in favor of a "they don't even have any goals" narrative.
I still remember how well that propaganda worked on people. It became commonplace for liberals to complain that the OWS protests were aimless and lacked message.
Even when liberals are shown protests on TV, they often walk away with the wrong message. It seems the only time it doesn't happen is when the state uses violence in a way that is indefensible.
I protested at the DNC years ago with an anti-war group. Liberals won’t listen to anything that even remotely pushes them out of their comfort zone. They’d rather keep voting until something magically changes (it won’t), or they waste the rest of their time criticizing you for “allowing the right to win.”
I have to say, it’s pretty fucking annoying to be scolded by liberals that do nothing but fill in a circle, while you’re doing things like marching to protest war, writing articles, participating in things like Food Not Bombs… meanwhile, they are in a state of malfunction because you refuse to vote for one of the two right-wing candidates propped up in front of us by the ruling class so we can do the same old song and dance again while thinking something will be different this time.
Did his protests get more attention under trump?
He doesn't protest anymore, but I get your point. As noted elsewhere, the protests got more attention because the responses were more violent. Is that good? Considering how the police have even more money than before I am not so sure...
looselose
yeah turns out that pesky international policy liberals barely pay attention to? fucking us over big time. and by us i mean almost the entirety of the not-western world.
and it really doesnt matter how much you try to talk to them, i guess they will not care (or just pretend to) until its too late for they themselves.
"Revenge"?
Vindictiveness doesn't have anything to do with it, I just can't bring myself to vote for genocide.
If anything, it's resignation and apathy as everything I predicted back in 2016 continues to come to pass.
Trump is going to win in November because the Democrats care more about preserving their AIPAC financing than representing their constituents.
Okay then vote against genocide.
Donald Trump is Genocide at home and abroad.
Joe Biden is "only" Genocide abroad, and probably less of it.
Therefore, a vote for Joe Biden is a Vote against genocide.
No, it doesn't matter that he's an active participant in the apparatus that's creating the genocide, because if he's in office there's less genocide. Which is the important part, and pretending otherwise is sophistry. By abstaining from voting, you are increasing the likelihood of more genocide, if you discourage others from voting, you are an active participant in the overall social apparatus that is probabilistically increasing the ammount of genocide.
The utility calculation is dead simple: more votes for Biden in key states makes more genocide less likely, and discouraging people from voting for Biden makes more genocide more likely. Therefore, discouraging people from voting for Biden is a pro-genocide strategy and voting for Biden in battleground states is an anti-genocide strategy. I live in a solid blue state, so I reserve the right to vote third party, but I will also encourage other people to vote for Biden.
You should vote for Biden unless you live in a solid blue state, and even then it's not a bad idea.
Offering a sandwich with more and less peanut butter when I am allergic to peanuts still means I will be sick. I'm hungry and I want a sandwich with no peanut butter. There are third party candidates providing sandwiches with no peanut butter. I am sorry demand decreases for the sandwich with less peanut butter, but I am unable to stomach peanuts.
Okay then vote against genocide.
Okay, then put it on the ballot.
Therefore, a vote for Joe Biden is a Vote against genocide.
No, it doesn't matter that he's an active participant in the apparatus that's creating the genocide
On the contrary, I think it matters very much.
By abstaining from voting, you are increasing the likelihood of more genocide, if you discourage others from voting, you are an active participant in the overall social apparatus that is probabilistically increasing the ammount of genocide.
By voting, you are prolonging the existence of the United States and guaranteeing that the genocides it supports will continue. You have made yourself an active participant in reifying the implied consent of the governed that entitles the government to act on your behalf, and with your consent it will continue to ship weapons to apartheid regimes.
The utility calculation is dead simple: more votes for Biden in key states makes the governments' dealings with the Israel appear legitimate and discourages people from taking meaningful action which might alter that relationship. Therefore, discouraging people from voting is an anti-genocide strategy.
Gives me an idea for a new meme to cover the other half:
"Leftists who won’t vote" 🤝 “Democrats” agree on being “apathetic”.
I won't vote for Biden. The DNC has known that for months and has decided to do shit-all about that fact.
Socialism 2024 has my vote, and that IS still a vote
You're not the main character
Tf does that have anything to do with this lmao
Did the DNC read your fucking mind like Charles Xavier or something? How have they "known for months" that you specifically are choosing to throw away your vote on not-Biden?
I agree with the other guy, you are not the main character.
In 2016, the leftists and MAGA got revenge on liberals by getting roe overturned and installing a conservative court for a generation. Leftists are really humble though, because few will take credit for this historic achievement.
Non-american here, why is it that the 2016 election was lost because of a "leftists not voting" boogeyman instead of Hillary Clinton being a deeply unsympathetic canidate, pushing away an objectively better canidate (Bernie) because it was "her time", and doing jack-shit to visit swing states to give speeches? From what I remember, she did the bare minimum because she thought she would have the election in the bag anyway.
Oh, and that whole court thing, wasn't that because of that piece of shit democrat judge not retiring under obama because she had some main character syndrome or something and instead decided to die under a republican president? Why is she not the one at fault here?
Damn, even foreigners get the deal better than resistance libs.
Oh no why didn't the DNC serve me my ideal candidate in a silver platter? I didn't participate in primaries, I didn't participate in local elections and then I ended up having to vote for Hillary! I'm going to protest by letting a clown take office.
And then when it turns out the clown is a fascist dictator I'm going to keep arguing about why my favorite candidate isn't being served up to me in a silver platter!
Yes the system sucks and the Democrat candidates suck, but you can't fix the system by abstaining your vote at the last second.
THE CORRUPT SYSTEM DEPENDS ON YOUR THIS EXACT BEHAVIOR.
And I know you probably did participate but it wasn't enough. You need to convince others, you need to protest and raise awareness when it matters.
Letting a clown dictator run the country doesn't further your cause.
Dumbest take I've ever seen lmao
Libs will never learn I STG
I'm voting for a third party instead of the slightly less evil fascist. I recommend y'all do as well. Dr. West and Claudia La Cruz are good options.
If you're not in a swing state I recommend you do the same.
"Fundamentally, nothing will change."
-and then it didn't
Now, here we are. Again.
Don’t abstain or vote third party to get revenge on vile liberals.
Do it because you have a backbone and can spend your time better doing almost anything.
Anyone else remember when Trump was the first President in decades to not start a new war and the left kept saying he was a fascist nazi who led an attempted coup then Biden got in and started a new war bringing humanity the closest it has ever been to nuclear war and then supported genocide? Yeah that was interesting, and now the left is adamant that "something bad" will happen if Trump gets in again. Who knows? He might even stop the war with Russia and that would be HORRIBLE because clearly we need to meddle in Russia's sphere of influence and prop up non-NATO member countries. Can you imagine if America wasn't acting as world police? Think of the defense contractors.
Like that time he assassinated an Iranian general? Total dove that guy: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/donald-trump-no-wars/
There is a pretty big difference between starting a war and killing one guy and his entourage. You understand? People seem to hate to accept that Trump was the first President to not start a new war in decades. Decades of Presidents and wars all over the world. Millions of deaths. Some people, like myself, would like to see an end to endless American wars and this is enough of a "single issue" to win my vote.
If Imran Khan sitting in jail can win at a fraudulent election run by the Pakistani army even after his party members were arrested and assasinated, surely the DNC can run a candidate who isn't happy to fund a genocide so they will actually get enough votes to win.
Imagine trying to convince someone to vote between Hitler and Stalin. Like "Yeah I'll take Hitler please because at least he won't kill all of us equally like Stalin. He actually cares about germany because he's building infrastructure."
Biden couldn't even hold on to his fake penny throw of sanctioning a whopping 7 Israeli settlers. He could at least pretend to care.
He still has time to redeem himself with quite literally one of the lowest bars you could ever have, but the DNC is happy losing if it means the USA stays peachy keen with AIPAC.
If you think there's a simple solution to the Gaza issue you're an idiot.
If you think the wannabe dictator who tried to override the election and install himself as a real dictator is even comparable to Biden, because Biden doesn't have a solution to a thousand year old conflict then you're an idiot.
So either you're an idiot who has no idea what's going on or you're a Putin puppet.
Biden doesn’t have a solution to a thousand year old conflict then you’re an idiot
Israel became a thing less than a 100 years ago, and this genocide started 6 months ago.
This statement is almost as idiotic as your assumption that anyone who disagrees is either brain dead or a Putin bot.
How low does one have to go to defend someone who has all the power to decide not to fund a genocide. He just approved a sale of 2000 MK84s and 500MK82s as if he wants Israel to finish the job.