@yogthos You missed the point with the grace of a dancing elephant as usual. I didn't say it wasn't a proxy war. I said that acting like Russia isn't reason the war exists at all why you're a propagandist. Can you admit that Russia started this war and is solely responsible for the bullets and bombs that are flying or no? How much of a leash does Daddy Putin keep on you?

@takeda @yogthos I understand where you're coming from Takeda. But don't expect rationality from Yogi. He says Ukraine is being "used in a proxy war". That's your first hint that he's a propagandist. Anyone who says the US is helping Ukraine to hurt Russia without mentioning that the ONLY reason the US needs to do so is because Russia has needlessly and baselessly attacked Ukraine, is not trying to speak the truth. Unless Yogi here wants to admit Russia's attack was the cause? Yogi?

@BartsBigBugBag Just the fact that you asked those questions tells me everything I need to know. There's no point in trying to answer. You won't believe it anyway.

@Dazza There are legitimate concerns about using cluster munitions but Ukraine is well aware of the problems they create. And unlike a 3rd world country like Vietnam, they will be better suited to mitigate those threats post-war. In the meantime, none of this matters if they lose because Russia will kill half of them anyway after the war.

@Dazza So, leave the war in Ukraine lop-sided so we can absolutely ensure that the majority of those killed are Ukrainian civilians instead of Ukrainian civilians AND Russian soldiers? What kind of sense does that make?

@zephyreks 😂 You poor thing. Just can't let it go. Bless your heart.

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@zephyreks My condolences on your loss.

@zephyreks You poor thing. You lost this debate days ago and just can't seem to let it go. I wish you the best. I really do.

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@zephyreks Not directly, he just said that the countermeasures the US took contributed to stopping it from doing so, so...

...this is where you inserted your bullshit about it being because he was trying to justify the budget because of the training he had and that all military leaders in the US are trained to lie and mislead the press because you know... the military budget that literally no one in Congress is concerned about and increases every year regardless if they even ask for it.

@zephyreks No, because you'd just make up some kind of reason why a Brigadier General would lie or obfuscate the truth instead of following Occam's Razor and understanding that no more assumptions than necessary are reasonable to answer a question. You pulling some bullshit out of your ass about budgetary concerns is a step beyond Occam's razor. That's why I say you don't see reason. You're relying on hypotheticals to justify your position instead of the facts right in front of your face.

@zephyreks Wouldn't matter if I did. You don't see reason.

@zephyreks How old are you, 12? You could have just said, I know you are but what am I?

@zephyreks You're grasping at straws.... give it up.

@zephyreks lol I can’t imagine the mental gymnastics you have to jump through to arrive at your worldview. For you to think that in that moment, while being questioned by a reporter about a Chinese balloon and the collection of data that his immediate thought was I need to justify the budget… It’s just astounding.

@zephyreks That means it wasn't able to collect data in part because of the countermeasures that contributed to preventing it from collecting data. If that was not the case, why wouldn't the BG have just said, "no it wouldn't have mattered because it wasn't trying to collect data."?

@zephyreks I've already read it. The countermeasures the US took certainly contributed to the lack of data collection.

@zephyreks 😂 😂 I love how you twist reality to avoid seeing what's literally right in front of your face.

@zephyreks What exactly did the countermeasures contribute to if it wasn't collecting to begin with?

@zephyreks Dude, you're a fucking idiot. Here's the press release from the Pentagon where Brigadier General Pat Ryder says exactly what I've been pointing out.... that US countermeasures certainly contributed to the balloon not collecting any information. So there you have it, from the official Pentagon press release by the same guy I've been telling you about repeatedly but you refuse to believe. 🤡 https://www.defense.gov/News/Transcripts/Transcript/Article/3444912/pentagon-press-secretary-air-force-brig-gen-pat-ryder-holds-a-press-briefing/