AnonomousWolf @ AnonomousWolf @lemm.ee

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Myself and my family will be using it to replace Microsoft/Google products

Excel, Google docs, word, pdf etc.

I would argue that is two different issues

"Are you free to easily move around and control your data" = High decentralization score

"do you have full control over your data?" = A different question

The scoring system is basically there to put a number on "How free are users and hosts of a platform to move around?" Or "How much power is in the hands of the people and not a few companies?"

For me Email scores very high in this regard.

As far as I know most Lemmy instances leverages paid-for or freemium services to have their instances work easily/properly

OnlyOffice claim to be Open Source https://github.com/ONLYOFFICE Is that just a deception? and their core code is closed source?

If that's the case I'm likely going with NextCloud Office, one of the reasons I'm hosting nextcloud etc. is to move away from proprietary software and to OpenSource

Here I'm a bit in two minds, sure it's difficult to SELF host email, but in practice it isn't because there are hundreds (Thousands?) of hosting options to choose from where you can choose your own domain etc. for the low price of basically-free

The scoreing system is basically there to put a number on "How free are users and hosts of a platform to move around?"

Or "How much power is in the hands of the people and not a few companies?"

For me Email scores very high in this regard.

Why is there a "Top Provider Content Share" metric if its gonna score the same as the "Top Provider User Share" every time ?

As said in the footer, this is a work in progress, I'm posting it to get input and still refining sources

Why is the Top Provider Content Share not higher than the user share ? For instance, emails usually have at least one sender and one recipient, making it twice as likely that at least one of them is using gmail. If an email has 10 recipients across 10 different providers, each provider has a copy of the data

I'd love to get better data on this, I've looked but not yet found better data than what I included in the source

Why is ease of hosting a mail server rated so well ? How is "leveraging email hosting services" decentralized in any way ?

Here I'm a bit in two minds, sure it's difficult to SELF host email, but in practice it isn't because there are hundreds (Thousands?) of hosting options to choose from where you can choose your own domain etc. for the low price of basically-free

Why are we using a random repo created a few hours ago by a random github user as a reference ?

It's my repo, it's to keep track of the versions and so that others can copy, edit and share it if they like.

Why is there a "Top Provider Content Share" metric if its gonna score the same as the "Top Provider User Share" every time ?

As said in the footer, this is a work in progress, I'm posting it to get input and still refining sources

Why is the Top Provider Content Share not higher than the user share ? For instance, emails usually have at least one sender and one recipient, making it twice as likely that at least one of them is using gmail. If an email has 10 recipients across 10 different providers, each provider has a copy of the data

I'd love to get better data on this, I've looked but not yet found better data than what I included in the source

Why is ease of hosting a mail server rated so well ? How is "leveraging email hosting services" decentralized in any way ?

Here I'm a bit in two minds, sure it's difficult to SELF host email, but in practice it isn't because there are hundreds (Thousands?) of hosting options to choose from where you can choose your own domain etc. for the low price of basically-free

Why are we using a random repo created a few hours ago by a random github user as a reference ?

It's my repo, it's to keep track of the versions and so that others can copy, edit and share it if they like.

Jip check the Email under the Sources section.

The best source I could find for Bluesky is also linked under sources, there aren't any real numbers but they explain that it's probably less than 1%

With some exceptions.

Eg. I rented out my apartment for a month while I was on holiday.

I used MAU where possible

That's fascinating, Hopefully we can eventually get such a thorough breakdown of the decentralization of online services.

For comparison

21 during the day and at bedtime 15

I think the biggest difficulty would be able to figure out a scoring system that works for all platforms.

Eg. What does "being able to migrate users" mean?

Does it include followers? Content etc.?

And what about "sub-reddits" it's important for it to be able to be migrated for Reddit/Lemmy but PeerTube doesn't have something like that

Ability to migrate is definitely very important, In a newer version I'll add it in.

What weight do you think it should have?

I'll shrink the others so the score stays 100

Sure thing, I posted v1.2

Thanks this is a great idea.

I like the simplicity of that current scoring system (only 4 metrics)

Perhaps the same metric can be used, but applied for different cultures and languages.

Eg Lemmy would score high in English, but not in French.

I'll keep refining it and listening to input.

Yea most services are basically fully controlled by one entity and score like less than 10.

So 50+ is really good, I think currently Email is the gold standard. Services should strive to be as decentralised as Email

Yea I made a mistake with that, I corrected it in v1.1

In version 1.1 I uploaded Email, it now has a score of 90

The source I used before was wildly inaccurate.

I think above 50 id acceptable, but that's open for discussion.

Lemmy & Mastodon loses a lot of points due to one instance having ~40% of the users and content.

It's motivation for us to make sure everyone doesn't just end up on lemmy.world