@trwnh@mastodon.social I mean hopefully we're better than that! I don't think the sum total of social gaming should be people posting their wordle scores.

There was a time when a big part of the appeal of Facebook was Words with Friends and other doofy little games that lived in the platform. FB decided it could print money other ways but those were strong early draws to the platform.

A fedi version of chess or go or mancala that used AP for its moves and allowed others to follow along would be cool.

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On a vaguely related note, I think a really interesting way to do a proof of concept of this would be to demonstrate its use in a social media game.

The old adage that everything on the internet truly only takes off at first as either games or porn is still somewhat relevant. I think a mastodon-adjacent but very much not mastodon-specific form of social gaming could be really fun, demonstrate some ideas, and bring a different set of people to the fedi.

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If I can give unsolicited advice on nebulous question . . . ;)

• If it's going to get to correct practices, there has to be a bridge to get there from current practices. Nothing will make a big jump without a transition process.
• It's not worth the effort if you do it alone, because no one else will be invested in it.

Those may be totally useless or non-sequitur to your actual concerns. Wouldn't be the first time in this thread alone I misunderstood!

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In that regard, I have to say that I think I'm still in a little bit of a grey area. The power of AP is in the fact that it can socialize a wide range of things, and I don't think that world should be closed in advanced.

At the same time, a protocol needs a set of sub-standards at least (lots of old IETF protocols had CAPABILITY commands) that let you figure out which specific closed world you're operating in.

@trwnh@mastodon.social Ah, yes, I did miss that distinction, and it's been long enough since I did formal logic that it didn't ring a bell. I agree with your point too but yes, I see what you're doing is different.

@trwnh

I want fedi folks to start thinking about commons instead of getting hung up on stuff that's basically warmed over "the cathedral and the bazaar."

All functional commons involve inclusion and exclusion. They are neither purely closed nor open. They are variously open or closed depending on the combination of who you are and what you want to do.

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<gestures to the sign>

https://social.coop/@MichaelTBacon/110634358031380559

Non-corporate/non-VC social media really needs to stop hating on "walled gardens" and start thinking about how you mind the gate that lets you into the garden and who gets in and who gets out.

If this exclusion still seems bad, start with "fascists" and then work outward from there.