OpenStars @ OpenStars @discuss.online Posts 44Comments 3,853Joined 1 yr. ago
spujb@lemmy.cafe somewhat beat you to it:-)
I made such a post, but ironically federation issues prevented the vast majority of people from seeing it (except those I sent explicit links to as part of other ongoing conversations) until several days later, at which point it got buried in the past posts and wouldn't have shown up even in New.
And that experience convinced me that essentially this is Lemmy. The apps are not always such, and PieFed and Mbin are like the apps: they work to communicate with "Lemmy". Content is hosted at places like !tenforward@lemmy.world, which is "Lemmy", even if you access it from Mbin.
It will not always be this way, especially if Lemmy.World switches to Sublinks (or PieFed?), but it is now. I still would like to use a more inclusive term, but I am not sure what it should be.
I never saw an announcement to that effect, though I don't have an account on sh.itjust.works. Elsewhere in that thread other admins voiced strong support for Lemmy.ml so there may be quite strong push-back to such, even being easily reversible, even for strictly new accounts, even though it makes the issue opt-in rather than currently where the have to expend ENORMOUS efforts to opt-out. Also iirc the issue of site content warnings came up and took focus in the conversation to see how that might play out in the then-future.
People have been asking for such tools for 2 years now - here's a post from ml itself asking for finer-grained controls. And another that said not yet, but given all the things they listed seems like it would say the opposite today (e.g. suppression of anti-ccp views appearing on ml, which I suspect was happening even back then too).
Despite that, no major instance has wanted to separate itself from ml. This is their software, apparently it's their network too. We don't even have a name for the part of the Fediverse that isn't either Lemmy or the Threadiverse that would by definition include Meta's Threads (Mbin and PieFed are too small, and Sublinks non-existent yet). And a Google search of the word Lemmy pulls up ml as the first instance hit.
Ofc if we're changing that now, then I think that's awesome.
Sorry, I must be too tired and focused on the "caveat" rather than the fact that we are in agreement on everything, so ofc in true Reddit style I had to write it as it I disagreed, I suppose? 🤡
In reading through all of these comments, I hate to keep saying it, in case it comes across like I'm harping on the point or some such, but genuinely PieFed already does most of it.
Want politics? Click Topics->News and Politics. Don't want news or politics? Click one other ones: Arts & Craft, Technology, Science, Gaming, Health, Hobbies, Music, etc.
Okay so memes is problematic yeah, but you can also unsubscribe from communities too, as well as block any instance of your choice without requiring admin support to do so. Then reverse your decision at any time, then re-do it again later, back and forth as you choose (unlike defederation where you would miss all messages delivered during the period of defederation). Though most are not nearly so bad, like Arts & Crafts.
You can also subscribe individually to something like !upliftingnews@lemmy.world and have it show up in your Subscribed feed. I barely used the Subscribed feed in Lemmy as it didn't seem to offer much in comparison to either All or visiting specific communities that I wanted to go to, like !fedimemes@feddit.uk that regardless of how well it competes with the more popular meme communities, I still enjoy more. But on PieFed I use the Subscribed feed all the time, it works for me better there. Also I have notifications sent to me for the smaller communities that nonetheless have the primary content that I want like !tenforward@lemmy.world or !starwarsmemes@lemmy.world, though we saw earlier how Favorites or customized Categories will likely be coming in 2025 and that will be an even better way.
Right now some of the foundational aspects of PieFed suck, especially searching for content. Then again, Reddit's search sucks even harder so... how much will that matter to people? Tbf, Lemmy's search feature is nice, and I saw somewhere a plan to allow searching strictly for post titles rather than keywords in them - that effort is appreciated!
I hope that the code being written in Python will help it grow faster. You might ask Rimu about some of these ideas mentioned here like a Trusted and Hesitated set of instances, if showing the former and by default at least blocking the latter for new people or those without accounts would help allow a better glimpse into the Threadiverse (minus Threads).
Otherwise, if Admiral Patrick is willing to add this capability to Tesseract, then any instance willing to run that could gain that feature, though at the enormous cost that someone using an app would not be able to take advantage, I think? Btw did you see this post discussing adding Tesseract to sh.itjust.works?
The OP idea sounds really cool too, except it would require someone to do it, and also I thought there were some major administrative issues with defederating from lemmy.ml, particularly in relation to communities. But if jgrim and m_f are on board with that... then that sounds wonderful?
I do wonder how widespread the desire for it would be though. You and I might enjoy that, but how many others, really? Probably more than a few, but less than a lot? 😁
"Please introduce me to Marxism (and Marxist Lemmy)", but get this, from this URL: https://startrek.website/post/18021528.
That's the thing about how "federation" works -> it's their content, but unless a place is specifically added to a defederation list by name, it's also our content as well - in this case, Star.Trek.Website's content.
Here's another interesting proof of concept: the farewell message from a server that died 10 months ago, but their message is preserved on the internet forever for others to read, if you know how and where to look (this particular one took more than a little bit of digging to find).
You don't use All, but especially if you did just prior to an election - of pretty much any Western nation I would guess - oh the things that you would see....... yes, even from the Star Trek instance (Garak voice: especially from the Star Trek instance?:-P)
Not necessarily. Here is a discussion with a mod of sh.itjust.works who provided an alternate idea:
something like autoblocking the instance on user creation… which might make more sense than outright defederation. A bot could probably be made to do that and send them a DM with instructions on how to change it off they so wish.
Edit: it still would not block actual users from those instances though - only defederation, PieFed, or the Sync or Connect Lemmy apps can do that.
Except instance blocklists don't really work much, and are too controversial, and some kind of community sourced user blocklist also is far too controversial. Libs blocking tankies, tankies blocking neolibs, so many in the middle blocking neither, or perhaps both I dunno:-P.
Omg I can just hear that!
Let's see if this can play (nope, I am not smart enough to do that, but here's the link anyway):
You are a treasure to have on the Fediverse, we are fortunate to have you helping so much:-).
Can this really represent Lemmy though, unless you are banned for having offered it? 🫠
How about: "comment removed - has far too many pixels"? 🤡
Fwiw https://lemmy.world/modlog/2 says "reason: Apparent commercial spam", but pruwyben's answer is much better:-)
Well it is one of the top 10 instances, and defederated from almost no other instances, so it definitely is rather well-known:-).
True true. I think Lemmy.ml tends to be more insular than most instances though? e.g. the default sort is Local rather than All. Like basically for people who already had most of their Fediverse needs met, there was less need to join communities across the wider range?
Fwiw both PieFed and the Tesseract front-end for Lemmy have YouTube embedding. And probably some apps too but I don't know which ones. This is the real dream: you don't even leave the post to watch it, if you want, and the preview pic is just already right there.
YT does not (currently) show ads for those. Also you can switch between videos more readily, if you don't really care about what you are watching and just want to be "entertained" (like a toddler) for 1-3 minutes.
And from YT's standpoint, it boosts their traffic stats, while sucking in the Gen-Z watchers, who until it becomes enshittified can make great use of it.
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It is indeed a damn cool name, and yeah I tried to carefully not imply that you did not want to have to solve problems - your asking here is already a sign that you could be a major help to others on that instance that likewise need aid joining communities and such:-). But... "managing" expectations, yeah I would expect to have more issues on the instances running still-beta software (though technically Lemmy itself is all still in beta!?:-P). On the other hand, so many issues running 0.19.8 in particular seems a good sign in general for that version specifically:-).
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(1) When you go to the Communities page on your instance and do your search, make absolutely certain that the setting at the top is All, bc the default is Local and therefore it won't show such communities on another instance.
When I do the search for fallout76 that way, I am able to see it: https://leminal.space/search?q=fallout76&type=Communities&listingType=All . But maybe that's because you've already joined it?
Alternately, you can kinda force the community link by placing c/communityname after https://instancename/
(2) Clicking that link (https://leminal.space/c/fallout76@lemmy.world) will show no posts until someone from your instance joins, and even then it can take a few hours. Or more weirdly you could see only old posts but no newer ones. All of that is normal due to how the federation process works, trying to be efficient and only pull in content that someone on your instance has specifically requested.
But give it a few hours and you should be good to go:-).
(3) Being anonymous shouldn't have anything to do with anything. I do note though that your instance is running the latest 0.19.8, which is still in beta. Being on the bleeding edge like that, you should expect to encounter more problems than usual on the Fediverse.
As Blaze mentioned, if you want a more seamless experience on the Fediverse, then you may want to switch to one of the top 20 instances (though I see that sopuli.xyz is likewise running 0.19.8). There is no rush though, so make sure to take time to think about what you want. Fwiw, Lemmy.zip is known for gaming (though it is also running 0.19.8!?:-). In the Settings menu is an account Export & Import pair of buttons that will transfer your subscribed communities and block lists, but note that messages to your old account will not follow you over to the new.
I was literally just thinking about this before reading your comment. It's a natural cycle though no less damaging as a result of being "natural".
Even Trump and Musk and Bezos and Zuckerberg are traumatized, and mostly represent symptoms of deeper issues, despite also feeding forward as causes of their own. Though the likes of Putin don't care about traumatized or not but rather only more or less useful for the cause. So things like "fairness" have little to do with anything.
Maybe this means that we need to forgive them - or maybe it means the opposite I have no clue, but one thing I am becoming certain of: we need to figure out first what the most important question is, before we can begin to answer it. Like, is ranked choice voting to be prized so highly that all else is worth being sacrificed in order to attain it? Both the Alt-Right and the Alt-Left seem to want to destroy democracy, so is that what it would take to save it?
In the meantime, all an average person can do is try to be a decent folk - like returning the grocery cart even when it rains. So many people, including some who voted for Trump, want to do that, and it's hard but I have to remember that they are my friends, more so than the Alt-Left that is so vocal here yet would really prefer if democracy was no more despite how many people would die in the switch (and switch to what even? straight to some magical utopia? are plans written up for that even or is this a "trust me bro, I got this" kinda situation?).
And it's even odd to think that the people calling for more "Saint Luigi" literal murders might otherwise be decent people, in other ways. It's REALLY hard to figure out what the most compassionate stance is!
But it's amazing to see how much of it comes down to basic decency: all we can really do at the end of the day is take care of what is right in front of us.
I dunno... isn't that like breathing air for a Gen-Z person? Good or bad, it must be shared with everyone! 😉😜🤣