Yea man, car bad, bike good. I get it. It's a no brainer for a thousand reasons. My comment tone was off, for sure.

Yeah, sorry for that sounding anti bike, I had just cracked into an afterwork drink and was a bit jolly.(The lycra comment was unnecessary blanket statement based on the locals in my experience)

I would be 100% cycler if I lived in a place of fully supplied infrastructure. So your point on safety being a barrier is true. I grew up on BMX and MTX in the desert so while bikes have been a major part of my upbringing I never really had to contend with roads.

Generally I just feel we all lose. Bikers don't feel safe and car drivers have an extra obstacle.

The real truth is I don't know why I ended up in this thread. I haven't got any stakes and just got lost.

But you guys keep doin the work, carcentric infrastructure is really annoying.

Is there a place that belongs to drivers who realize all this, yet still get pissed off at bikes, but like, indirectly because their also angry that there isn't infrastructure in place that gets bikes the fuck out of my way?

I respect the grind, y'all, but you're right, I'm absolutely not gonna get in your stupid shoes and lycra just to experience the "pain" myself. I know it's dumb, but the "shared" roads piss me off too. I'll vote on somethin if you show me where.