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Michael Parenti > all liberal ideology
  • I was making a walltext, but because my phone is garbage, and can't do a swift job regarding copy pasting from different sources, so I will first say the first short part, and do the fat one in some note or something that doesn't dissappear because of not enough data...

    Ahem.

    The Hebrew supremacy is not something that was born during the Roman Empire, its something the Old Testament is filled with, to the point that there's even today in some Judaist sects, the celebration of the Amalekite genocide (which could have been pretty fictional, but still not so wholesome, frankly). The OT is filled with promises of conquest and of enslavement of the rest of the world from the Israelites, either from Elohist (older) sources and from Yahwehist sources. Now I'm going to do the collage work wherever I can.

  • Michael Parenti > all liberal ideology
  • Yeah, it's the same interpretation that a sect of ancient pre-orthodox Christians (we have to interpret Orthodox not as the Orthodoxy post great Schism) that were then persecuted and had to fly outside the Roman Empire to the Arabian Penninsula. The Gnostics had a similar fate, but I think that Gnostics were directly wiped out.

  • Michael Parenti > all liberal ideology
  • Jesus was an eschatological prophet-avatar that announced the comming of the end of the world to achieve world dominance/paradise, while portraying non Jewish as worthless dogs and generally bad people. Also, its teachings were mostly, if not all, towards Jewish, being himself the guru of hos own cult following, and, here we come, demanded that the followers pray for this end of the world massacre where only few (of course of his own race) will be saved. Something that is still present in the Gospels and the NT in general.

  • Michael Parenti > all liberal ideology
  • I have to plant the seed of counter propaganda, comrade. This myth of portraying Jesus, a character who was condoning racism, tribalism, pseudoscience, theocracism, inmovility, etc, as some sort of socialist caring bear makes good to no one except for religious institutions, who have enormous material and social benefits from it.

    Kind of like making memes with Churchill as a good guy and Stalin as worse than Hitler thing.

  • Michael Parenti > all liberal ideology
  • No... Wtf? I mean, yeah, the Gospels contradict each other, and stuff, but depending on the sect and in general therms, Jesus was never a normal man, only in the most gnostic of the gospels, Mark, which is the first one (historically) may interpret this thing, but the religious consensus is that Jesus is divine, not just a prophet like Moses, even if Jesus said that if Moses wasn't real, he was for nothing. Spoiler:Moses never existed.

  • Reddit uncharacteristically optimistic about the capitalist hellhole they are going to be living in.
  • Under a capitalist / classist system? Yes, it will go full Zardoz, with floating faces saying "the gun is good, the penis is evil", and cultist running with Beach-Borat with boots - like outfits and all, but I can't see how under a communist system this can in any way become bad.

  • It's just every fucking day here, isn't it?
  • And don't forget they will never bring how this is the result of theocracism opportunists seeking power with fascistoids, and how this shit is pandemic. And how hate-speech is protected under "religious freedom" too. Because its foolish as fuck trying to ignore this too.

  • Anarchoid cope
  • Marxism is not more popular in the west, wtf is this idiot talking about? The west mostly have Anarkids and Frankfurter Suckdems, which are basically chauvinistic racists that want to portray themselves as "holier than thou" because they are "protecting" the minorities they are part of or are trendy while at the same time shitting in the ones they aren't part nor trendy.

    Ah, and full of idealist nonsense.

    Really, fuck them.

  • I hate the “don’t punch Nazis” argument. It’s ignorant of what Goals they have for society and whitewashes them as “Free Speech Fanatics” when they aren’t.
  • Edit: just to be understood. I'm not claiming that believers deserve the wall de facto, and I even know that the first victims of religion and who face the class struggle, are precisely the believers the same way people living in the imperial core are victims too.

    I'm sorry, but those believes aren't separated from protecting the same church. The problem with religion is that they are ideologies, and those ideologies have the first primal indoctrination that affects even to non believers, that is that the institution must be protected at all cost, even from itself, in a really very simmilar way that capitalism has socdems and fascists. They are very different in the outside, but they have the same purpose.

    And another thing, is that the institution isn't bourgeois, it's theocracist.

    Right now is in bed with the bourgeoisie because the later is what it has power. Historically, the church was in bed always with the system and power that was dominant and at the same time, struggling to attain absolute power, being in an friendship/rivalry the same way today the nobility and aristocracy is in bed with the bourgeoisie.

    BTW, I don't know what a "reddit atheist" is, but it sounds to me like "the good socialist is never "radical"", "the good feminist is the one that doesn't accuse men for everything", "the good union is the one that allways collaborate with the boss", "the good atheist never speaks the harms of religion". Can't you see the pattern, comrade?

  • I hate the “don’t punch Nazis” argument. It’s ignorant of what Goals they have for society and whitewashes them as “Free Speech Fanatics” when they aren’t.
  • You cam argue that depending on context you may talk to them to letting it go (I did, I could make some children think about it and they really stopped being fascists, don't know how much time, but at least something), but liberals will never understand context and how counter measures work.... Unless it is for their own benefit.

  • I hate the “don’t punch Nazis” argument. It’s ignorant of what Goals they have for society and whitewashes them as “Free Speech Fanatics” when they aren’t.
  • I feel you. I have family I never met because during Spanish Civil War, they were killed by NationalCatholics, being the Church one of the principal instigators against communism, anarchism, and even atheism or minimal worker's rights.

    The ones that were older were even sent to concentration camps were Franco sent people to please Hitler as collaborators, while the Spanish right claims that Franco "remained neutral".

    And I have to hear that I must not hate neither the right nor Catholicism because "that's authoritarian" or its "bigotry against Christianity" and similar nonsense.

    The only reason not to punch a fucking nazi is because they could harm you or the police work hand in hand and will know who you are and where you live or something. If you know you won't have this repercussions or simply don't give a fuck, kicking their ass is the moral thing to do, and liberals can suck your ass.

    And of course, when was the last time you heard a liberal say that "punching tankies is bad"? Because I NEVER heard them claiming that we also have free speech and all that nonsense they cry when a Nazi gets what it deserves.

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    Cult survivor. Against most forms of religions, specially anti-scientist ones such as all Abrahamism, and will always explain why. I will never stop demonstrating that religion is reactionary, including your own beliefs. Dialectical Materialism is a must in Socialism that cannot be forgotten.

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