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Commander Banned and Restricted Announcement – September 23, 2024
  • Hilarious that Nadu, designed for Commander but released in a Modern set, is now banned in Commander too (after it's collateral damage in Modern).

    Kinda do not agree with the fast mana bans :-/ I understand their reasoning but I haven't thought they were banworthy at all.

  • I got a replica Nalathni Dragon from Dragon Con Swag and Seek!
  • This is so cool, thanks for sharing!

    Do you have any more details on it? Was it just printed by another attendee (presumably Brothers Wilmot 😜) or is this an official wotc reprint?

  • The Nadu Situation – Mark Rosewater on Tumblr
  • You’re absolutely right and Mark’s straw man arguments like that are pretty frustrating. I have the same meaning as you when I say stop designing for Commander as I’m sure the vast majority of others do. I don’t know if he’s being intentionally dishonest or if he just doesn’t get it still but it is 100% stop printing overstatted Commander cards that warp eternal formats and these ability soup engines-and-payoffs.

    Re: playtesting I wish they would come out and say what their playtesting process is. How many people are in each group, how long do cards get active testing, etc. Barring those details I kind of disagree that they can’t do more and while they definitely cannot catch everything, their process should be sufficient to not let a Nadu get by.

  • August 26, 2024, Banned and Restricted Announcement
  • Yeah that's a good point, I guess since it was admittedly for Commander they were find letting it leave the 60 card formats.

  • On Banning Nadu, Winged Wisdom in Modern
  • Exactly, the fact that "interacts with 0-mana abilities" isn't on a list of mandatory checks is just crazy to me. It just signals that they don't have any kind of process/infrastructure in place to help them see these things.

  • August 26, 2024, Banned and Restricted Announcement
  • Great updates all around, kudos to Wizards for doing what needed to be done. Good changes to timing too.

    I'm shocked they banned Nadu instead of some bad half-measure like Shuko though.

  • On Banning Nadu, Winged Wisdom in Modern
  • I appreciate them writing this and taking it on the chin here but honestly there is so much in here that's pretty damning about their design process. Nadu was a massive mistake but one that seems negligibly correctable.

    Mistake 1: not enough playtesting!

    Majors describes the testing they did. He cites no actual numbers or anything but I think that makes it pretty clear how deficient it is/was:

    For both Modern Horizons 2 and Modern Horizons 3, we brought in a small group of contractors and worked on the set in a dedicated sprint as a collaboration between that group and a small number of play designers. The playtesting time is more dense, as the group is singularly focused on the set without other responsibilities, but shorter in terms of weeks.

    Emphasis mine. I would wager that this is probably 2-3 contractors who played for probably a few weeks with the people who designed the set, a group who is obviously stuck in groupthink and can't see differently. There's no wonder they miss issues like this.

    Mistake 2: changing cards again without testing

    Again we have a card that was changed at the last minute and shipped as-is.

    I missed the interaction with zero-mana abilities that are so problematic. The last round of folks who were shown the card in the building missed it too. We didn't playtest with Nadu's final iteration, as we were too far along in the process, and it shipped as-is.

    How many times does this need to bite them before they just actually playtest every single text change? It's crazy to me.

    Mistake 3: no automatic flags for certain high-risk abilities

    They all missed the interaction with 0-mana abilities, OK fine. But why is there no automatic flag for high risk abilities? Off the top of my head:

    • unbounded triggers
    • triggers that draw you cards
    • triggers that put cards directly into play
    • triggers that occur whenever the permanent is targeted
    • triggers that give things to all of your creatures

    Original Nadu had every one of these, and there are no doubt many many more things that should automatically create a higher scrutiny/testing regimen. They added the 2-times-per-turn cap at the last minute but removed the by-an-opponent limiter!

    Software can easily flag cards that should be tested more fully, or recommend problematic interactions. They don't seem to be doing this at all, instead just accepting a certain % of failure/risk. This is so preventable.

    Mistake 4: putting Commander cards in Modern sets

    This one is a personal pet peeve of mine and really irritates me more than everything else. This card was designed specifically for Commander yet it went into a set ostensibly for Modern/Legacy.

    In one of these meetings, there was a great deal of concern raised by Nadu's flash-granting ability for Commander play. After removing the ability, it wasn't clear that the card would have an audience or a home, something that is important for every card we make. Ultimately, my intention was to create a build-around aimed at Commander play, which resulted in the final text.

    If the card is for Commander, put it into a Commander set! This is also extremely damning from a design perspective--they removed the flash ability and then didn't think the card would be played at all!

    So much of this seems to be preventable with better processes or using technology in even basic ways, ways they are no doubt not even close to taking advantage of. It's a shame because these sets could be better and the playerbase wouldn't have months of crap like this, or a Pro Tour absolutely ruined by a preventable card.

  • Historic rebalances for RW energy: Galvanic Discharge, Guide of Souls, and Ocelot Pride

    Wizards rebalanced 3 cards in Historic effective tomorrow, all in RW energy and related decks:

    • Galvanic Discharge now only gives you 2 energy
    • Guide of Souls now requires 4 energy to get the counters/flying
    • Ocelot Pride now costs 1W

    In response to the last Arena Champs: "Making up 58% of the field at the most recent Arena Championship 6, Boros Energy demonstrated its power at one of the highest levels of competitive play."

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    Eternal Weekend Returns in 2024!
  • Love the optimism! I for sure will hit my classic 1-3 drop but I'll definitely be playing in this. I wish that card was for everyone on entry, though I'll also never not use the DiTerlizzi original.

    Hopefully Grief and/or Psychic Frog eat a ban before November.

  • Rules Change To Precombat and Postcombat Main Phases
  • Oh cool, I’m glad they did for all the people who like playing with him. Good job by the RC.

  • Rules Change To Precombat and Postcombat Main Phases
  • tl;dr Neheb the Eternal is nerfed. Anything that just says “postcombat main phase” now only refers to the “second main phase” so if you have something creating more then it won’t keep triggering.

  • Does anyone else have trouble remembering Abzan, Bant, and Sultai?
  • This is so interesting, thinking about it now I’ve never associated the wedges or shards with themes or qualities, just individual representative cards or decks I guess.

    Bant is Noble Hierarch for me, and Abzan/Junk is Seige Rhino. Esper is Raffine, Jeskai is Narset, RUG/Temur I think of RUG Delver. Grixis is Mishra or Nicol Bolas.

    Sultai I still always call BUG and will forever. I always think of Shardless BUG from Legacy a while ago, and I guess this one is the exception because I think of actual bugs too.

  • Maro’s Bloomburrow Teaser
  • The destroy target creature one is interesting. My regex isn’t good enough to get this in one nice query but it looks like there are 3 cards that have just this rules text:

    • Eviscerate - 3B
    • Impale - 2BB
    • Murder - 1BB

    If it’s a black card I can’t imagine they go BB on it, but maybe BBB for some kind of lore reason. Maybe it’s 4B for limited?

    My other thought is that it’s in a new color or color combo. Maybe a new 1BW murder?

  • Plains by Jesper Myrfors (Alpha, #286) sold for $141,000!
  • Yeah good question, this is definitely one of the highest of all time. Demonic Tutor sold for $168k which I think was the previous record until Force of Will sold for $350k a short while ago.

    That one is so far and above anything else that I can’t imagine anything other than maybe Black Lotus or some combo of iconic art + special interest from the buyer will ever crack that but who knows.

  • Plains by Jesper Myrfors (Alpha, #286) sold for $141,000!
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    Sorry for the private Facebook group post but this was the only place I could find with info on the sale.

    Pretty crazy bidding and a price indicative of just how much the Magic art market has grown.

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    Modern Horizons 3 update is now live - claim your free boosters!
  • Psychic Frog, Kozilek’s Command, and Springheart Nantuko… womp womp.

  • Alpha Black Lotus Sells For $3 Million, Breaks Record For Most Expensive Magic Single Ever Sold
  • I believe the buyer's name is hidden, which makes this all the more suspicious. I mean this is like 6x the price of the most recent highly graded alpha Lotus, which was only a year ago.

  • Pro Tour Thunder Junction Viewers Guide (April 26-28)
  • Coverage starts at 2pm ET today (and tomorrow)! On Sunday it’s an hour earlier at 1pm ET.

  • Much Abrew: Land Destruction but in Standard!
  • 36 artifacts with [[Boom Box]] and [[Territory Forge]] as the land destruction spells. This is the state of land destruction in this game! It didn’t need to be this way 😭

    I remember [[Avalanche Riders]] and ramping into [[Rain of Salt]] in my artifact/red Ponza deck back in saga block constructed ffs. I realize I’m in the minority on this one but I think resource denial is a core part of the game that’s been removed at the game’s detriment.

  • How strong were Outlaws of Thunder Junction pre-sales?
    cardboardbythenumbers.com How strong were Outlaws of Thunder Junction pre-sales?

    Magic: the Gathering’s latest expansion, Outlaws of Thunder Junction, has had the community abuzz. A set with a huge step-up in power, two bonus sheets, an already-beloved limited format, and an ex…

    How strong were Outlaws of Thunder Junction pre-sales?

    cross-posted from /c/finance

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    WotC President Cynthia Williams to Step Down
  • Wow wasn't expecting that but I'm guessing it has something to do with the recent sets being poorly received? The estimated drop in sales can't be helping and I'm wondering if this is in anticipation of a poor earnings call by Hasbro.

  • Pro Tour Thunder Junction Viewers Guide
  • Relevant info on the streams:

    • Pro Tour Thunder Junction will be streamed all three days of the event, April 26–28, at twitch.tv/magic.

    • On Friday and Saturday—April 26 and 27—broadcast begins at 2 p.m. ET (8 p.m. CET // 3 a.m. JST 4/27–28) with three rounds of Outlaws of Thunder Junction Draft followed by five rounds of Standard Constructed.

    • On Sunday, April 28 for the Top 8 playoff, broadcast begins at 1 p.m. ET (7 p.m. CEST // 2 a.m. JST 4/29) with all four quarterfinal matches, followed by semifinals matches then the finals of Pro Tour Thunder Junction.

    • While competitors begin their Friday and Saturday at 9 a.m. PT on-site, broadcast begins later in the day at 11 a.m. PT (2 p.m. ET) with a featured drafter to follow into their Round 1 gameplay. They’ll catch up throughout the day to avoid downtime.

    • Sunday Top 8 playoff broadcast begins at 10 a.m. PT (1 p.m. ET) showing a full quarterfinal match and then as many games from other quarterfinal matches as possible, moving on to a full semifinal match (and as much of the remaining semifinals match) then the complete finals.

  • Happy 30th Anniversary, Magic Story
  • I also don’t know Garfield’s reasoning for it but based on what I’ve read about how he viewed deck building and card acquisition he may have wanted the game to be more fluid or natural, like just use what you have or what you can locally trade for. Ante may have been natural for him as a way to get cards for your deck or have decks change over time.

    It also may be relevant that other games at the time that got popular, like Pogs, would be played for keeps or for fun too. Marbles as well I believe. That may have been a more normal part of games, especially those with a collectibility aspect to them. I never played Pogs for keeps either though and hated that aspect too.

    What Garfield is missing a bit is that better or older players can take advantage of worse or younger players, and it can create tons of feel bad if you lose a prized card. I think the trade offs just are not there at all and would love to find out more about why he liked it so much.

  • Angel of Indemnity oil painting time-lapse by Denman Rooke
    makertube.net Angel of Indemnity - Magic the Gathering oil painting time-lapse

    A time-lapse process video of the Angel of Indemnity card art illustration for Magic the Gathering’s Outlaws of Thunder Junction set. Oil painting on wood, 60cm x 70cm. Art Director: Zack Stella Cr...

    Angel of Indemnity - Magic the Gathering oil painting time-lapse
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    New 52-card Theros-themed Oracle deck coming soon

    Not exactly MTG but a pretty random related product coming soon for those into mysticism/oracle cards:

    > From the team behind The Dungeons & Dragons Tarot Deck comes this officially licensed oracle deck comprising 52 all-new illustrations that celebrate the characters, creatures, and lore of the world’s largest trading card game. > > Inspired by Theros, the plane where monsters prevail, mortals endure, and heroes ascend, this Magic: The Gathering-themed deck features exclusive art of Jace, the Planeswalker; Hythonia, the legendary gorgon; and well-known creatures such as the Pegasus, Chimera, Sirens, and more.

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    Congrats to the Winner of PT Murders at Karlov Manor!
    Spoiler!

    Seth Mansfield playing RB Vampires beat 2023 player of the year, Simon Nielsen, on Boros Heroic 3-1 in the finals.

    Simon Nielsen’s 4th (!!) top 8 at a major event in the last year! 3 PT top 8s and top 8 at Worlds. Amazing year for him!

    Direct link the the VOD of the finals: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2073420586?t=05h22m30s

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    Pro Tour Murders at Karlov Manor Viewers Guide
    www.magic.gg Pro Tour Murders at Karlov Manor Viewers Guide

    With $500,000 in prizes on the line, the 2024 season kicks off with Pro Tour Murders at Karlov Manor, February 23–25!

    Pro Tour Murders at Karlov Manor Viewers Guide

    The first Pro Tour of the 2024 season takes place February 23-25 at MagicCon: Chicago.

    • On Friday and Saturday—February 23 and 24—broadcast begins at 12 p.m. ET (6 p.m. CET // 2 a.m. JST 2/23–24) with three rounds of Murders at Karlov Manor Draft followed by five rounds of Pioneer Constructed.

    • On Sunday, February 25 for the Top 8 playoff, broadcast begins at 11 a.m. ET (5 p.m. CEST // 1 a.m. JST 2/26) with all four quarterfinal matches, followed by semifinals matches then the finals of Pro Tour Murders at Karlov Manor.

    Play on Friday and Saturday starts at 9 a.m. CT on-site, but broadcast begins at 11 a.m. CT (12 p.m. ET) with a featured drafter to follow into their Round 1 gameplay. They're going to catch up with coverage to reduce downtime.

    The Sunday Top 8 playoff broadcast begins at 10 a.m. CT (11 a.m. ET) showing a full quarterfinal match and then as many games from other quarterfinal matches as possible, moving on to a full semifinal match (and as much of the remaining semifinals match) then the complete finals.

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    WotC plans to release two LTR-sized crossover sets per year starting in 2025
    www.dicebreaker.com Magic: The Gathering plans to release two Tale of Middle-earth sized crossover sets per year starting in 2025

    Magic: The Gathering will publish two Universes Beyond premiere sets per year starting in 2025, adding more crossovers …

    Magic: The Gathering plans to release two Tale of Middle-earth sized crossover sets per year starting in 2025

    2 UB sets per year starting next year:

    > Hasbro CEO Chris Cocks told investors on February 13th that two of the trading card game’s six annual premiere sets will be dedicated Universes Beyond crossovers starting in 2025.

    Looks like these will be pushing out a Masters or other large non-premier set too:

    > This may end up pushing out or replacing a tentpole set (a business-only term the company uses for its six annual major releases) to make room for whatever comes after Final Fantasy and several Marvel-themed releases.

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    MaRo's Teasers for Murders at Karlov Manor
    markrosewater.tumblr.com Maro’s Teaser for Murders at Karlov Manor

    Before previews for Murders at Karlov Manor officially begin, I thought it would be fun to do another of my Duelist-style teasers where I give tiny hints of things to come. Note that I’m only giving...

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    Ravnica Remastered Draft Guide
    cardgamebase.com Ravnica Remastered Draft Guide - [Win With Your Guild!]

    This Ravnica Remastered Draft Guide can help you master all 10 archetypes. Read on and win your next draft event.

    Ravnica Remastered Draft Guide - [Win With Your Guild!]

    cross-posted from !limited@mtgzone.com: https://mtgzone.com/post/380788

    > Key points for RVR draft: > > All the cards in the set are reprints from previous sets happening on Ravnica. If you’we been around for a while, you know what that plane is all about. If not, there’s a single most important thing to keep in mind: There are ten 2-color guilds, each with its own signature theme. > > So, in the vast majority of drafts, you want to be drafting a 2-color deck. However, it’s perfectly reasonable to splash a bomb, from a adjacent guild. For example, say you’re playing Selesnya (green-white). You could easily play Assemble the Legion. That’s possible, as there’s plenty of mana fixing available. > > Keep in mind, that each card in your deck should ideally met at least one of the following criteria: > > * It works well with your guild’s theme, or; > * It’s just a strong card on its own. > > Obviously, if both conditions are met, that’s especially great. So, let’s take a look at the archetypes and figure what each archetype is trying to do.

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    Gavin Verhey (Principal Magic Designer at WotC): "You get to pick one Magic keyword mechanic to return in 2024. What is it?"

    Gavin Verhey, one of the lead designers at Wizards, posted an interesting question on Twitter:

    > "You get to pick one Magic keyword mechanic to return in 2024. What is it?"

    What are we bringing back?!

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    Introducing Timeless, a New MTG Arena Format
    magic.wizards.com Introducing Timeless, a New MTG Arena Format

    Play with all the cards in MTG Arena in the newest format coming December 12!

    Introducing Timeless, a New MTG Arena Format

    Timeless is a new non-rotating, Constructed format where every card on MTG Arena is legal. This includes digital-only cards, the upcoming Khans of Tarkir set release, and any future set releases. Timeless will use the re-balanced versions of all digital-only cards, but the original tabletop printings of all non-digital cards.

    Timeless will be the first format on MTG Arena to have a restricted list. If a card is on the restricted list, only a single copy of that card may be included in your deck and sideboard. Cards will have to earn their place on the banned and restricted list, and only those cards that have proven to be negative fun or far too powerful will be added.

    The initial restricted list for Timeless includes only the following three cards:

    • Channel
    • Demonic Tutor
    • Tibalt's Trickery
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    MaRo on competitive Magic complaints: "We’re spending just as many resources as we always have (if not more) on competitive play."
    markrosewater.tumblr.com Blogatog

    Hi Mark. I hope you're having a nice Monday. I think it's great that you guys are focusing more on Commander and the casualty side of Magic, which has historically been more in the background....

    MaRo on complaints about competitive Magic:

    > Here’s a good place to voice it. I should stress that we’re spending just as many resources as we always have (if not more) on competitive play. Yes, we added a casual play design team, but never shrunk the competitive ply design team. In fact, we added people to it.

    in reply to:

    > Hi Mark. I hope you're having a nice Monday. I think it's great that you guys are focusing more on Commander and the casualty side of Magic, which has historically been more in the background. However, I think the health of competitive is formats is being neglected. Many of the formats I used to enjoy no longer have the same compelling and engaging gameplay that they used to. At first I though it was just me, but many people feel the same way. Is there anywhere I can voice this concern? Thanks.

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    Former Magic designer Bill Stark's thoughts on Standard's problems [2022]
    makingmythic.com What Happened to Standard?

    Aaron Forsythe asked a great question on Twitter recently: why has Standard play fallen off? There was a great conversation that followed (check out this fantastic data breakdown of responses from Magic Data Science). Here are my thoughts as someone who has worked on these types of problems and watc...

    What Happened to Standard?

    TL;DR:

    > Standard has gotten less fun as players [via Arena] create solved formats at a breakneck pace unseen before in Magic history. Combine that with a shuttering of play due to a pandemic that led to players finding non-rotating formats they could invest in due to uncertainty for when Magic play would return and you get all-time lows in Standard play.

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    New MTGZone Matrix chat room!
    matrix.to You're invited to talk on Matrix

    You're invited to talk on Matrix

    We have a new Matrix chat channel!

    We set this up for anyone in the community interested in more real-time discussion or to get to know other community members.

    This post links to the space to join. Right now there's just one room, which you can access directly here: https://matrix.to/#/#mtgzone:matrix.org

    All feedback welcome, as always!

    --- cross-posted from: https://mtgzone.com/post/240277

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    Making Magic: The Challenges of Making Universes Beyond
    magic.wizards.com The Challenges of Making Universes Beyond

    What makes an amazing Universes Beyond release? Mark dives into why Doctor Who™ was a perfect fit.

    The Challenges of Making Universes Beyond

    MaRo goes over all of the decision making processes for UB sets, particularly how they choose which other IPs to go with:

    • Overlap with Magic players or potential Magic players
    • Elements that translate well to Magic cards
    • A partner that wants to work with us

    He also spends a good bit time discussing how they "[make] sure you capture what people love about the property." For WHO this became a variation of Partner for commanders partnering with a "companion." Kind of annoying they went with that term given companions are already a thing from Ikoria!

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    Next Steps in Revitalizing Standard: Play
    wpn.wizards.com Next Steps in Revitalizing Standard: Play | WPN

    Today’s announcement is all about giving players—and stores—enticing events that they want to play in and run to give them something at the end of the rainbow for building up their Standard decks.

    Next Steps in Revitalizing Standard: Play | WPN

    Wizards announced new efforts to promote Standard play that start next year. Some highlights:

    • Special promos for new weekly Standard events at LGSs
    • $75k Standard Open at MagicCon Chicago, which is "the first large, open field Standard tournament in quite some time"
    • Pro Tour Outlaws of Thunder Junction (second PT in 2024) will be Standard
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