@sunzu @neme @luc891 @kryllic One problem is that affected customers who walk away never to return are hidden on the bottom line by new customers that replace them. Businesses don't care about disatisfied customers, not when they have all the customers they can handle.

Think of lost business as collateral damage or cost of doing business. The share holders can't see the lost revenue so it isn't "lost revenue."

@reallyzen Relunctantly, I have to agree, but we only know one side of this story. Companies tend not to reveal reasoning in any detail when defending themselves. Sometimes they even deliberately mislead. As a result, it's not likely anyone will *know* how truthful any response would be - all we can do is ask the question.

@pathief It seems Wireguard has reached v1 https://www.wireguard.com/install/ Available on MacOs, BSD, various Linux distros, Androd, IOS, and Windows.

Ask Proton if they are working on Wirguard for Linux.

@pathief Ask Proton.

Is wireguard itself still beta? It's been a while since I considered it so I''m not up on it.

IP6 is freaky. Everyone is yelling for IP6 - few have done more than dip a toe into that pool. No one wants to support both IP4 and IP6 and many are waiting to be forced to shift from 4 to 6. Expect chaos when that day finally comes.

@reallyzen @pathief I'm a Proton paying customer and have Proton Drive access. I'm also an exclusive Linux user (some Android - an intrusive flavor of Linux).

I want Proton Drive on Linux. It ain't there yet. Limited resources limit services. Rather than dragging Proton down (chasing potential customers away) try bringing more customers in.

ProtonMail is free. ProtonVPN is free. Try before you decide whether or not to buy. Free use of VPN by way of openVPN ain't half bad.

@pathief I don't think I would hold MS up as a baseline minimum standard to match.

Proton does improve their products; even in the Linux world. There is room for improvement. Which company has reached the mountaintop where there is no room for improvement? None of them.

The best users can do is keep asking. To fail to do that is an indicator that better Linux support doesn't matter. It does matter - very much.

@reallyzen I did. I've been added to the list. One day we'll learn which list.

@pathief @reallyzen "Catering" only to Ubuntu is a path, but is it a path that most Proton VPN paid subscribers take? I doubt that Proton has asked it's Proton VPN users - I know I've never been asked.

Many vendors offer a DEB solution and a RPM solution. Why do vendors prefer to arbitrarily drop DEB and RPM and switch exclusively to Canonical? Especially when many Linux users lump Canonical in with Microsoft? Is it possible that Proton VPN is unaware of this? I don't think so.

@asdfasdfasdf @thantik Most adverts aren't like that - proton.me might be the exception. Advertisers irritate the potential customer or treat them like sheep. After a while potential customers feed everything that might smell like advertising into the shredder, whether they should or not.

You can thank abusive advertisers for that mindset.

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@LunchEnjoyer @LinkOpensChest_wav I don't know what's different between user "A" and user "B", but I don't get more than a couple of emails a week at the most from proton that don't apply to me, I'm a paid subscriber to proton's services. All I do is glance at the email then archive it or delete it. Seldom do I do more. A simple filter on the proton side would elimate pd subscibers from their prospects for the service they are advertising.

Unless, Sales doesn't have access to that information.