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That's all well and good.

But if enough of people voted for Kamala, we would have been out of this mess. And that's the honest truth.

And now I see a topic about people making fun of Chuck and Jeffries. Okay, lets go see where that goes in a few years. Yall are fucked and can't even build your own political coalitions or support your own fucking guys.

You guys ain't my team. I consider myself conservative.

This entire fucking exercise is me coming over to liberal heaven in a mild hope that y'all can learn how to fucking realpolitik enough to beat Trump. Because y'all fucking suck at it.

I'd rather have reasonable conservatives in charge. But that's not an option. The goal now is to give Democrats / Liberals a bit of an idea of what fucking works and how to grab onto the reins of power for yourself, and so to remove it from Trump.

But yes. Please tell me how I'm an Ideologue.

Yes yes yes. And there's no difference between Trump and Kamala. I've had this discussion before.

If you don't like it, then either get a different server or get more creative and less predictable. .ml users all sound the same to me. I know where this discussion is going and I'm just shortcutting it to the end to save us some time.

Glory to China, death to America, Imperialism, NATO expansion and all that jazz. Yes I know I know.

Tankie: a liberal more interested in fucking up other liberals than actually going after Trump or conservatives.

denies a currently active genocide and tries to equate it to the USA.

Ah, a typical .ml post. Yes.

I feel like there isn’t an assertion that the police would act out from ignorance of the law, but just how they operate. If anything the enhanced legal awareness may embolden them to know how far they can push the line and get away with it.

More importantly, their enhanced legal training means that in say, 80% of cases, I'd expect an Officer to win in most legal fights vs a typical layperson (ex: typical protesters).

Yes we have some incredible abuses out there and it's important to bring up Police Abuse to raise awareness. But there's also the pragmatic truth that we cannot expect for protesters to truly match up well in a legal fight vs Officers.

There's some dumbass advice out there about knowing your rights and asking the officers badge number and stuff. I think for most laypeople, this is bad advice because the typical protesters or layperson will mess up in the interaction. The proper recommendation when dealing with officers is to remain quiet and call your lawyer, and then have your lawyer always speak for you.

Policemen have more experience with the law than you.

It is a liberal fantasy to think that spouting a few words here and there could pin these guys in an ethical or legal dilemma. The officer has likely heard the argument before whatever you think you are pinning them on.

I'm not saying that means Officers are ethical people. But I'm trying to make sure everyone understands the threat here.

The protesters will fuck up first. We need to be ready for this. It only takes one protester to step out of line while the officers here are politically savvy and know what they can (and do) get away with.

The smart aren't planning for how to escalate these protests. The smart are planning for the inevitable crackdown after a building is looted and the arson starts, and the police use that as an excuse to crack skulls with legal backing.

Our move after that, I dunno. But that's happened in 2018, 2019, even 2012 with Occupy Wall Street. Building our coalition vs Trump will be harder but I get it, protesters need to strike back in anger after aggressions at this level. Just know we are getting actively outplayed by Trump as these predictable events happen.

You will be unfairly demonized. Republicans will get law and order propaganda on Fox News. Your Boomer grandparents will fall for the propaganda.

But where's the silver lining here? What can we do to turn the tide in our favor despite this? I think we can start pointing out the overreach of the President here taking over States authority. We can use January 6th and Trump's pardons against him. We need to start preparing these arguments moving forward.

The soldier vs officer discussion is important because I do think the soldiers are more ignorant of these matters, in a good way. Soldiers didn't sign up to be riot squad or crack down on protesters. The National Guard do want to save the country from Wildfires and Floods (under normal circumstances).

Police easily will side with ICE. National Guard probably sides but there is a Hail Mary argument we can make to them (National Guard shouldn't be riot squad) that could get them to flip.

I expect that if National Guard has a higher chance of fucking up and shooting a protester than a Police Officer. They know this however, but that's the fear we can actually take as an argument point.

The idea that conservatives are unthinking dumbasses or ignorant people who can be convinced of a greater truth is a horrible, horrible liberal lie. Conservatives think deeply about these things and have already preplanned how they should act and react to various news. You liberals need to start thinking at least as deeply as they do on these subjects if you hope to win this coming political battle.

Is USA actively genociding the Uyghurs right now?

Not the fake genocide people though Biden/Kamala was doing. I mean actual genocide camps and forced sterilizations.

Doomerism on the correct contexts is correct.

We shouldn't expect a military coup on this issue. The vast majority of soldiers will take the side of Police and ICE on this issue and proudly stand by them.

Doomerism here allows us to focus our efforts elsewhere, where it'd be more fruitful to strike back vs Trump.

I'm not saying it's what we want them to receive.

But Police are constantly surrounded by lawyers, criminologists and judges. You ain't convincing them of anything, they have higher trusted authorities on the issue of law and a single officer likely have stood inside of courtrooms longer than you and me and everyone else in this thread combined. (Unless we have a lawyer in the peanut gallery??)

So this idea that you can just call them ignorant of law (and consequently, capable of learning or changing their opinions on these issues give. Am online debate) is... grossly optimistic.

You have to see them as legal professionals. Not necessarily legal authorities (like a judge or lawyer). But as a legal professional, cops almost certainly know more about law then the typical person. Enough to be dangerous.

Trained enough to be stubborn.

This isn't war. It's political action.

It's beginning to be violent political action though. Strategizing in these times and thinking ahead is going to become more important.

We convince officers and other respected leaders to coup at the right time at the right signal.

But we also accept that the Grunts and dumbasses are gonna dumbass. Maybe you can get like an E-8 or E-9 on our side but don't give much effort to E-3 or E-5.

But sitting around hoping that the military just magically appears on our side (that leans hard into Libertarianism at best and outright far right hooo rah at worst) is dumb.

You may laugh but it's the reality.

Soldiers don't have legal training, riot training, or any other legal maneuver. Meanwhile, Police and Police investigators need to actually win court cases if they want their charges to stick.

Police know what they can get away with given the local judges and politicians.

This liberal fantasy where your enemies can just be 'taught' habeus corpus and suddenly agree with you is just fucking fantasy. Maybe the dumbass soldiers might learn that but Police absolutely already have legal training and experience in legal matters. They won't listen to your lectures on legality.

The benefit to soldiers is that they often know they don't know legal matters and know their ignorance on riot training. But otherwise you have to treat typical soldiers as ignorant. Police on the other hand are pretending to be dumb, they have far more legal experience than typical citizens.

That doesn't make Police correct mind you. It just makes them more legally experienced.

You can't even consistently convince liberals that Kamala is better than this shit. And you think adding a bunch of conservatives will help?

Lulz. The bulk of the military is 18Y old chumps.

I have trust in the generals, but they keep getting fired by this administration. The enlisted mooks will brainlessly shoot at civilians and call themselves heroes if given the chance.

The grunts and mooks aren't professional at all. That's the fucking point.

Police are those who actually study the law. Soldiers at best know they haven't studied the law. It's always the generals and officers who step in and protect us from the dumbasses, but the brains of the military are actively being drained right now.

Resignations are only useful in the short term.

In the long term, Resignations provide new opportunities for the loyal to gain power and recruit.

Watch Elon Musk of 2012 vs 2025.

Long term drug use clearly destroyed his brain. He never was very smart but 2012 Musk is a fucking genius in comparison

My uncle lives up in Omak

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omak,_Washington

This is a small town. We don't call them villages, we call them towns for some reason.

Technically speaking, Omak is a city actually. But pretty much everyone will call it a town around here.

Sunset Riders SNES.

Ummm. Elon Musk made $100,000,000,000 by making internet propaganda about how his electric cars are better than internal combustion, lies about their capabilities (full self driving), lies about how often they explode and lies about how well his Robots work. And then the propaganda is so strong he becomes Buddy in chief and people think that literally paying Musk another $50Billion is a good idea.

The cats out of the bag. Internet propaganda is too cheap and too effective. Everyone will be doing it if only to counter Elon Musk (let alone make money for themselves like through bullshit crypto coins or whatever).

You or I deciding to 'not fill the internet with shit' stops nobody. It's going to happen given this political climate and the benefits therein.