You have the right idea, the "Cascadia" bit is a shortcut to actual progressive discussions about what it may actually take to make good things happen. We're doing it right now, even. It's not meant to be totally serious (unless it actually becomes a thing, but by then it's way out of our hands anyway).

Proto Cascadian identity (while working toward "socialism with Cascadian Characteristics") will need to be formed as an extension of indigenous liberation. Half the liberals already can see the farce of land acknowledgments that they do at every city council meeting, but this is what it might look like to see real action. It forms a path to anti-colonialism since even land acknowledgements directly call it occupied land.

Progressive liberals are vulnerable to having their American identity crushed, which is accelerating every day under Trump 2.0. "Socialism with Cascadian characteristics" is a just a bit (or thought experiment), but it takes advantage of what is happening right now and gets them out of the liberal dead-end quickly. There needs to be so we fucking urgency if we are going to protect our communities from fascism and we know we can't wait 4 more fucking years and then watch Democrats tank to a Vance/DeSantis ticket. Either liberals talk me down or they don't actually hate this shit and they're pretenders (a lot of them irl are down to engage though, they're on their way).

To respond to the first part of your post; It's more of a talking point to get the liberals away from thinking that discussing Trump's garbage of the day and the :vote: ing in 2028 is somehow effective at anything. I don't actually want a civil insurrection, the US government would win with support of the chuds.

However, having this discussion among comrades, and even with liberals (the ones who genuinely want progressive changes) gets things moving in the right direction since it isolates the US federal government and the Democratic Party. If we are going to play at the state level, then both of those entities are going to stand in the way of achieving our goals. Does that make sense?

I will also mention that these topics are complex and honestly difficult for me to organize my thoughts here in a place that is "friendly" like Hexbear. Thanks for responding, and whether the discussion happens here or irl, agree or disagree, I hope as comrades "iron sharpens iron" and we will both come away with a more developed understanding of the age old "what is to be done?".

For discussion purposes though, I'll respond to your question: as socialists we understand that the ownership class will not give way to the workers peacefully. I don't wish to go to war. I hope to avert it. At the same time we do need to discuss this head on (as you are with your question). We need to understand that an violent incursion would be a suicide mission and it would be to our benefit to tip the scales until it's not an absolute blowout.

Another angle: building media and political infrastructure that will reach out to these people and bring them somewhere into the fold (anyone who is not actually part of the ownership class). We saw from the Bernie campaigns how actually doing politics can engage significant numbers of people from unexpected places. On the west coast we have the upper hand over racist/transphobic culture (kinda sorta, big asterisk, let's not tangent quite yet). The movement (or party apparatus thereof) can not allow these people to be brought up to leadership positions (unless they demonstrate that they've shed those anti-worker, anti-equiality convictions). They can still be made useful at the fringe , and our movement can be poised with open arms (at the fringe) for people who realize that US led capitalism is doomed to fail. We know that capitalism will be unable to survive its own contradictions, so it becomes a bit of a waiting game when it comes to these folks, but we aren't fucking Democrats so we will have rural outreach programs etc...

There will be true and through fashys out there, but I think it's very fring, any they'll find their way over to "greater Idaho" and stfu or something, most likely.

Yeah let's stop sitting on our asses and work on that.

On the West Coast we will need to do what it takes to figure for our rights taken and withheld from us by the genocidal and regressive United States empire.

Comrades elsewhere in the lower United States, I'm not sure what options you have but we welcome you to come west and right with us for a better future. Our geographic isolation offers us this advantage.

Its difficult because there are many people who are transplants in our major cities cause they don't want to live in chudsville or wherever. They still have family in those places. The short answer is that as much as I would love to solve Ohio and Alabama's problems, I would also like to solve the problems of my Kenyan and Indian and Honduran comrades. I have no effective political or economic power on these places. I do have a smidge of influence in my local community so that's what I'm able to look out for.

I could go on but I'll pause here.

It's like 65% a bit so don't bother ;)

For us on the west coast we can appropriate "calexit" or "Cascadia" as progressive propaganda, but I can't speak for socialists elsewhere in the United States. Different material (geographic) conditions may make the "balkanize the US" tactic unpalatable.

If you happen to live in the so-called "Pacific Northwest" region of the United States, you can have them DM this account for answers.

At best, it forms the CA/AZ border. the water rights for the Colorado river are a hot topic among those states and should be carefully managed.

Not the Mexican states, of course, they get shafted. It's wild how they just divert the water right at the AZ/Mexico border lol.

Several sources, but much of southern California's drinking comes from the Colorado river over a 242 mile long aqueduct. If Vegas aligned with CA then it would probably be just fine.

I'm glad it makes sense to you.

The thing is that I've spent 4 years of going into my city and listening to liberals whine about Trump's garbage of the day, and another 4 years of them passively accepting Biden's presidency.

Liberalism is a dead ideology, and if they are not going to realize how fascist the United States is and start leaning directly into resisting that, then they obviously don't hate what's going on as much as I do. I am a socialist, I care about my community and hate what capitalism is doing to it. It is unacceptable to let Trump soak up 4 more years of potential action.

We start with "we need to form Cascadia and leave the US" and work backwards to something that is actually achievable (like, "we need to get socialists into the city/state government", or, "let's pick up where Bernie left off and pass universal healthcare in our states, since the US isn't going to do it")

It has been quite interesting to bring this topic up in real life. Turns out it's a bit of a wedge issue haha. Just like the Bernie campaign though, it resonates with people who are more progressive than Democrats and many who are not politically engaged.

Good socialism will happen in the global south. In the meantime it's great for people living on the West Coast who have genuine progressive values and convictions to start to understand that there's nothing worth saving about the US

That would be sick

Cascadia is a few things:

• A neat flag that people fly at soccer games and in a few of the bars around town.
• a soc-dem ish "bioregional" "secession"-ish movement with eco-tendencies.
• a bit account I do on here because I think it is the natural synthesis of marxist-hexbearist politics adapted to the conditions of this part of the world. I think that socialists here need to be thinking with "Cascadia" as a concept in mind, and focus on leveraging out local power instead of sending Bernie or Bernie 2.0 out to die on the altar every 4 years. We can build basic social democracy right here, and offer some resistance to the federal government. If other regions (California, "greater Idaho", ???) also apply this sort of tension domestically, this weakens the United States, and may give our comrades in the global south the moment they need to break free of their chains.

Literal secession is not a practical reality. What is important is for people in our area to understand that if they want a bright future for the next generation, the united states is in full opposition to this, and that progressive politics will only be effective at the community and state levels.

We need to guide our own destiny in spite of whatever the US government, thousands of miles away from us, may have to say about it.

If you leave the United States and just walk away, none of that shit is your problem..... Cause you're no longer part of the United States.... (Theoretically) Who cares about their problems?? The whole point is that they're fucking it up so it's time to leave.

I guess on the west coast it's easy cause DC is "over there", if you're in Vermont or something it's more right at your doorstep.

This is all just chatter anyway, in practical terms the US wouldn't just let that happen. in other practical terms though, we need to recognize that the US federal government is where progress goes to die, as they've demonstrated over and over again. If you want a better future for your community, and the next generation (on a global scale, really) I'm sure your "blue state, USA" will have better intentions than the stagnant gerentocracy located in Washington DC.

The people of Cascadia support the liberation of our Californian comrades from the genocidal and regressive United States empire.

The people of Cascadia support the liberation of our Californian comrades from the regressive United States empire.

I really hope Tor's channel continues to grow! Some great stuff lately

Since you asked, I'll deliver more propaganda right here in your inbox! There's plenty more to write up, but why don't you throw in a question of your own to prompt me? If you don't like my first draft of my response, we can workshop it a bit.

Nonetheless, a militant branch of the movement would find itself well situated, although the major threat comes from the occupying military bases located internally along Puget Sound.

As mentioned in the post we mustn't play ourselves into senseless violence that achieves nothing (adventurism?). The democratic arm of the movement will need to take priority and propose peaceful solutions that achieve progress.