And how you stop being stop blatantly hateful towards others for their own skin tone that they can't fully control. Your USAness shows brightly to me, I will repeat myself one final time. *The ones who truly have a final say in the situation is the people themselves from that region, not someone like you who's comfortable in your NY apartment going online boasting how racist I am. Meanwhile I am afraid of the war expanding to my country and the turkey due to our own past tensions and those in governance might find the chance to start it for their own personal gain. I am already seeing the signs of WWIII in the horizon by the way. *
The best way to take down the current regime is for both to work together and prove wrong the governments, otherwise we will be expecting another genocide that will be added to the already too long list of the region in the two centuries alone.
Who do you think is continuously manipulating the situation and handing out propaganda to the people of both nations to hate each for their own benefits? The governments. The people should fight back the TRUE perpetrators, aka those in governance. the people of Palestine and Israel, not the GOVERNMENTS, THE PEOPLE, THE ORDINARY CITIZENS! THEY WERE MANIPULATED FOR DECADES FOR OTHER GAIN!
BRUH. I DON'T! I AM FULLY AGAINST THE IDF AND THEIR CRIMES.
How am I being racist again?? By what being against the genocide of people in general?? I can't understand your logic on me being racist.
It is by just doing a simple search.
I found these in the front search, I swear you are trying to simply insult me because of my skin colour.
https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Cracker_(term) https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/114806/where-does-the-term-cracker-come-from-and-how-disparaging-is-it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cracker_(term)
I didn't find more, but it is clear it is one as it appears so. You called me a racist, meanwhile in reality YOU ARE THE RACIST BECAUSE YOU LITERALLY CALLED ME A RACIAL TERM.
WHEN WAS I SUPPORTER OF ALL OF THESE?! WHEN WAS I A WHITE SUPREMACIST?! YOU ARE ACCUSING OF THINGS I AM NOT BECAUSE I CALLED YOU OUT FOR YOU CALLING ME A SLUR?!
Bruh, people like you are the ones who further divide people by just merely judging them on their skin tone. And I just searched up what the term "Cracker" means...I am trying the best to be respectful and you straight up call me slur originated from the USA of course.
If you don't have anything of value to add besides throwing slurs with people you don't agree with, simply disengage and go on with you life. Also, you are showing your true colours, aren't ya?
"White outrage". Oh wow, so you reduce me to my skin tone, seriously?! That already speaks volumes to me, I'm sorry but phrases like that are actually believe it or not..racist. And it speaks volumes of where you are possibly from. I want to remind my country is located in the Eastern* Mediterranean, I think people from that region especially the those from Palestine and Israel have a higher right to speak in a situation regarding their homelands, because in the end, those who will free the war from both sides will come over there trying to save their families and themselves.
I hope this doesn't come as off offensive or anything like that.
Excuse me, but apparently you interpreted my words as that? Let me clarify: I never in the slightest intended to pass of as that, I don't know how you saw my comment as this. What I intended is point out the centuries long conflicts and one of the reasons they still continue to this very day and a strong desire for all of this end. Do you think I don't support the Palestinians right to fight? I pointed out that the Hamas is not a good solution as that and could easily lead to something much worse than before, as seen in other cases, if you think that's the nuance.
I swear, I will repeat myself one final time: I just want finally all this to end. For peace to come forth all sides and for cooperation to bloom for centuries to come.
If you consider this stance genocide apologia, you better be laughing at my face. I no longer want genocides to happen anymore in this region, already many have happened due to many reasons. I hope this have clarified some of what I meant. Also, don't jump immediately in conclusions, that's what I gave a disclaimer in my OG comment that got deleted and remained open to any constructive criticism there. Now, have a nice day/night.
So, I just noticed my comment got removed because some mod interpreted it as me saying the Palestine Genocide is complicated. Where did I once state it is complicated?? I just wanted to analyze it through to the best of my knowledge and even remained open to criticism.
This is blatant silencing in my opinion, to the mod who deleted it, I publicly ask you to message me, to tell me your full reasoning behind this so we can civilly discuss it in private. Also, to remind, I clearly don't support any sort of genocides, they are disgusting and horrendous.
Outside of that, have a nice day/night.
I feel like commenting on the situation is important, due to I think the vast majority of commenters are too ideologically fanatical against both or one side(Either you support Palestine or support Israel) that is so polarized.
This was happened before in other ways, believe me. Look at the 20th century history of general region alone(I am referring to the Eastern Mediterranean), notice a pattern? I do.
So, before hand I am giving this disclaimer, to some of you that will sound "Islamophobic" and anti-muslim and that kind of stuff and might be considered "hate speech". I am basing it upon current events and past events that are im part of my historical knowledge, so correct me to any inaccuracies, but please provide sources to these so I can study these better. (Do note this doesn't focus directly on Islam, but I am putting disclaimers anyways)*
*Corrections, it is in general sensitive topics, relating to genocides, war and the like. If you are sensitive towards any of these topics, please click off for your own good, otherwise proceed. And I will make it clear I don't support either sides, I just want a two state solution in a way, ideally a federation will do the best job I believe. Any further corrections/changes will be noted there.
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So, the entire shitfuckery roots on the basis of religious and ethics conflicts at its core manipulated by third parties. I will be referring to the current ongoing 21th once again started genocide of the Armenians by the Azerbaijani Government and Military, the basis of is of ethnic, but as stated as above..rooted in religion and possibly other reasons, including propaganda.
You have to look further back in the 20th century alone to see, where, alone whole entire native populations were kicked out of native lands because of religion and the fucking interest of the Big Powers(At the time Britain, France and some other I can't remember), that was amidst WWI and shortly afterwards. I am referring to the Armenian Genocide, but...it was not only them affected. Many of these people were the Christian populations of Minor Asia, that included the Armenians. Religion was everything in terms of division, but peace was there, it was fragile in truth.
And so the Big Powers, manipulated them the same ways the Nazis demonized the Jews, this lead to infighting between the populations, and it lead to some very horrible things in there..the same went to the opposite side.
To note it was during sunset years of the Ottoman Empire. And I will be focusing on the religious aspect for a bit.
There were shitty people from groups, and the like. In general, the rich are to blame in terms. But also Religion, why though?
Religion is the root causation of countless infighting for centuries on end between ethnic groups, the same applies to the Palestinians and Israelis whether you want it or not, the religious animosity of Jews and Muslims can't be ignored, and so once again the Great Powers came into the equation, in one side we got the USA, being the modern day imperialists they are, manipulate the situation at hand making Israel as a country in a way their "pet" to put it lightly and use this country as a scapegoat for furthering their own agendas. At the hand, we got Palestine, who would have you guessed it, has some pretty notable jihadists popular as leaders, I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if the Hamas "went to bed" with some other Great Power to get funding and manipulate the agony of the Palestinians towards the Israeli civilians and alike.
They are not any better than any other islamic terrorist organization in regards of humans rights mind you, they want an islamic emirate where people like us(LGBTQ+, any other religious group, women and the like) are oppressed and treated worse than their fucking pets. And cleanse ethnically any other groups that what they consider "true" Palestinian. To my fellow Left Wingers, do you know easy is it to be labelled as that? As an undesirable? Since when these type of people(far-right) our friends? Never. You can easily be next in their list.
Israel is not innocent also. There is no true justification in blatant of derooting people of their homes, I can understand the military due past history of hostile neighbors(Let's not look any further a bit up north), but for many things, not really. But, I have not lived there in both Israel and Palestine to fully know.
So, what I am trying to achieve by saying all of this?
We need to look up at the true perpetrators at hand and work together to stop, including the local ones. In the end for peace in the region to the be finally achieved is we need to go past our luring nightmares of the past and march forward all together at hand and do what these fuckers don't want us to do:
Working together.
No one is innocent truly. No one.
I am saying as someone who's from this general region and the same happens at here with the neighbors across the same sea we share, many of the youth doesn't want infighting and we need realize how truly not so different we are as people.
Let's hope in the future this all become something we laugh about in late night drinking, where we all drunkenly tease each other with no malice behind it and are all friends, with the nightmare long since over, now belonging to the history books for the future generations to look back upon and remind themselves why it is better for us to be allies than enemies.
I hope this gets my point across, and no TL;DR. And if there any issues regarding rule breaking, please tell me down in the replies.
oh, i misread it rapidly. welp, the first reply is unnecessary, i might delete that reply rq.
That's just my observation, ideology does come into play in some kind of way. What I meant by passing a line(in my POV to note) is just to me it rubs the wrong way to defederate with them upon the principles calling them "tankies"(tho, that's not as clear) and their behaviour being assholery(that's a bit justified on the part of the mods if I am being honest, but it could have been handled differently and with open discussion between both the mods and communities of each instance). Other than, it is just how I felt on that part.
I tried my best to explain my view, so if you have any criticism go ahead tell.
update: I noticed the mods went ahead and defederated with hexbear. I am going to say I am not exactly the happiest with this decision, because of the mere fact of going against one of the most trans friendliest we have in Lemmy, all because of their conflict between ideology.
When is the line crossed between security and delusion? I think this time it passed that line...I am just disappointed.
ignore what i said here, i am very dumb sometimes and misread the instances section.
Being completely honest here, I don't think we should defederate from them. I don't see a point why. They are clearly pro-LGBTQ+, have huge support to our fellow trans brethren.
It also rubs me wrong in every single way to outright scrutinize one of the oldest still active Lemmy Instances, we all have to clearly remember which folks precursor the majority of us. Those being the left wing folks, we should respect their space and we respect theirs, otherwise it will be like mocking them to their faces. I have seen it with many others users treating them like garbage, how about we don't? It is like inviting guests to your house and them stealing that home and turning it the way they want, and when you complain they start spurting crap about you being horrible, etc, etc.
I have said this one, and I will say this again;
For fuck's sake keep your mouth shut, and move on(This doesn't apply to fascists/conservatives). (This comment is not meant to come as rude, I am just stating my honest opinion.)
i am starting to see more and more right wingers from what i have observed so far. too many hating leftists, which to me, doesn't make that much sense. if you don't want to be in a LEFTIST instance/platform, there's others ones that will welcome you 100%, or just simply block+ignore these instances. simple as that.
also to point out, i am seeing transphobic sounding statements in this comment section including, by a few certain users. which is in fact worrying in my opinion.
why can't you people just accept that before you came this was/is a LEFTIST place! accept it or leave. simple as that.
this coming from me, a centrist leaning towards the left. if you want to argue with my, feel free to do so.
no flag :<
basically gender collector but aezthetic flagz! under aestheticgender?(is that the correct term) and gender collectorz umbrella.
(alzo note, guyz we need to start making posts tbh! lets not leave this community naked!
