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I'm kinda with him though. If gender roles are bunk(and they are), and we're not going by genitals, what even is the difference? I don't want to be told I have to act any kind of way for what I'm packing or what my ID says. I also don't want to go walking into a bathroom I'm not welcome in to go making anyone in there uncomfortable thinking I'm there to do any more than poop. What's a gender supposed to mean? Someone's good have a better answer than the self righteous nonsense people he's interviewing.
I see where you're coming from, but if I tell you my name is Alex and you say "no," - who is the asshole?
Same if I tell you I like oreos and you tell me I'm lying.
Yeah well nobody is trying to attach meaning to "Alex".
a pronoun surely contains as much meaning as the proper noun it replaces?
Which is none?
"Names don't have meaning" is an interesting argument.
Go on then.
We're waiting for you to finish your thoughts..
Most people do so before having argumentative chats online.
You're claiming names have meaning. Back yourself up. I've got no burden of proof. They're literally arbitrary placeholders for identity.
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I'm not the guy you were trying to argue with.
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I never made a counterclaim to your statement that 'names don't have meaning'. You still have the burden of proof for YOUR claim.
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we are STILL waiting for you to finish your thought. You've really dug yourself a deep hole here, fella.
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Uhm - most names have a meaning even if we don't really consider it nowadays - like Alex (short for Alexander) comes from the Greek Alexandros meaning "defending men," from alexein "to ward off, keep off, turn (something) away, defend, protect" + anēr (genitive andros) "man" (from PIE root *ner- (2) "man") - so most names have a meaning - and you could argue that over time pronouns will lose their meaning like names and will just be a shorthand for self-identification - but I don't see how that's any worse/different
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Well, anyone who claims to have an answer is just talking nonsense. We're collectively figuring out this whole gender stuff in an ongoing social process.
Some fundamentals we seem to be working towards:
- Everyone should have equal opportunity in life.
- Everyone should be able to pursue an identity they like. Equal opportunity should not mean erasing identity.
- Everyone gets to freely choose which identities they find attractive.
- Well, and in an ideal world, no one would need to feel uncomfortable.
I don't believe in identity past "I am me and wanna keep my finances and whatnot to myself".
I don't see why it would matter much, what you believe in with that. I'm not big on identity either. But the majority of people very much enjoy them.
Not to mention people that aren't you care much more about your identity. Though not explicitly. They will judge and treat you based on how they see you.
It's why people talk louder to babies after they hear it's a boy. It's why people percieve shorter people as dumber or less competent. It's just how people approach others.
Yes. That's what everyone wants. To feel like "me"
The problem is "me" feels diffrent to everyone.
Maybe you're looking for the gender abolition crowd. Gender-neutral bathrooms are pretty nice, giving more privacy with separate toilet rooms, but I hope you're not too shy to share a sink area with men and women alike if those are not also in each of the rooms. You would not be unwelcome there unless you start trying to make people uncomfortable.
Wash my hands next to a woman?!? What's next, no more pissing in the sink?!?
I figure sinks should generally be outside.
Is this sort of whining all you have on your schedule today?
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If you're packing, you should be way more sympathetic.
Why? Also why is that a wiki link?
Not feeling brave enough to go to Wikipedia and learn something new today, I see.
It's literally not even an article you stupid troll.
Yes it is.
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Whatever Lemmy client you use cut off the closing parenthesis of that link. Seems like a bug. Due to the way links work in Markdown syntax (e.g.
[my link](http://example.com/some_(thing))), it might have thought, it could just strip away the first closing parenthesis it finds.Ooohhh, thanks!
You should apologize to me and null. You acted like a complete ass and just insulted people until someone took pity on you and figured it out for you. It's really pathetic and you should really consider changing how you interact with people.
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nah fam chill it out
Guess it's not bravery you lack as the article has sections and pictures and is most definitely not just a stub.
Troll.
I'm not sure how you managed to sign up on Lemmy with you internet skills...
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