New Covid vaccines are on the way as 'Eris' variant rises
New Covid vaccines are on the way as 'Eris' variant rises
A new COVID vaccine is due out next month, but health experts and analysts say it is likely to be coolly received even as hospitalizations from "Eris", a variant of the Omicron form of the coronavirus, rise around the country.
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I'm of the opinion that COVID is no longer news worthy beyond the minority it impacts. No different to the flu or various other low risk (to the vast majority) common community transmitted illnesses. It just is now. We don't get news articles written and publicised at this level for a new flu variant or vaccine, so I don't see the point for COVID.
Edit: some good discussion in the responses to this. But also some utterly dog shit ad hominem and trying to put words in my mouth. If only they bothered to actually read what I wrote.
The covids have unexpected health consequences that are way beyond the scope of the flu, including heart conditions, and chronic respiratory problems.
Yeah, long COVID seems to hit people randomly, and it seems even vaccination status doesn't make a huge difference.
And before you know it you've spent a year in bedcare.
It seems that way if you don't know anything, yes.
It's not totally random. I've noticed it affects self-centered and narcissistic people more frequently, almost like it's one more justification to be a perpetual victim.
Didn't think I'd see the "disabled people are just looking for attention" card being played on Lemmy but here we are.
Reddit was THE place to be if you were a South Park Libertarian. So it stands to reason that a lot of the chuds will follow the exodus
I think they're saying that unvaccinated people are more likely to get more severe cases of covid and therefore are more likely to get long covid.
I read it as anti-vaxxers, COVID conspiracy idiots, and maybe conservatives in general, not disabled people.
Why would anti-vaxxers or COVID conspiracists be talking about having Long COVID? They're more likely to represent it as a minor cold, not talking publicly about being disabled by illness.
Because once it actually significantly affects them they're more likely to suddenly care about it.
You know what's wild? My alzheimer's patients almost always have the most healthy bodies and rarely complain about pain. They're not overweight. They don't get CHF. They pass through COVID and other illnesses with mild symptoms.
Your simplified strawman contains a seed of truth.
Ah yes. Your tiny sample size.
From a disabled person. Fuck off. COVID sucked and continues to affect me.
You don't know my sample size. I promise it's much bigger than your twitter samples.
Twitter. The heck makes you think I use Twitter. 😹 Try again. Asshole.
tiny sample size. The heck makes you think I have a tiny sample size. 😹 Try again. Asshole.
This conversation is incredibly stupid and tedious. I will continue to reflect the quality of the posts you send me.
Oh sweetheart. Unless you account for a heck of a lot of people. Hundreds to thousands isn't a very large sample size when you take into account the amount of people with disabilities there is in the world. And you also have to account for figures of people with undiagnosed disabilities too.
So yes. Your sample size is akin to your IQ.
Low.
"I only hear about things from people who talk about things"
It's true that the narcissists love to post about their long COVID too. It's like being a celebrity.
This seems to be mostly debunked, at least regarding to heart conditions:
https://www.mdpi.com/2077-0383/11/8/2219
Retrospective cohort study of 196,992 adults after COVID-19 infection in Clalit Health Services members in Israel between March 2020 and January 2021.
Our data suggest that there is no increase in the incidence of myocarditis and pericarditis in COVID-19 recovered patients compared to uninfected matched controls. Further longer-term studies will be needed to estimate the incidence of pericarditis and myocarditis in patients diagnosed with COVID-19.
The original strain, yes. The current COVID is extremely weak and most humans have adapted to it. It's become a minor cold to the vast majority of the human population.
Did you post the wrong link?
You can't just say some bullshit then post a link and think it backs up what you've said. That paper explores the genetic predisposition to COVID susceptibility and not:
The current COVID is extremely weak and most humans have adapted to it.
Is there like one sentence in that paper you've latched onto that you think justifies your bad take?
I don't think you read enough of the report. It goes into showing those genetic markers of that patents of covid. That means that those groups are who should be far more careful than groups without those genetics.
And you originally posted:
The current COVID is extremely weak and most humans have adapted to it.
You're jumping to your own incorrect conclusions as that is NOT what the posted article says.
You are correct in regards to 6% of the human population. I'm talking about the 94%.
Did you read the article you posted? I read the overview and intro and really didn't seem to support your statement.
They say the same thing for every variant, but of the 300 deaths a day 90% are 65 and older. It's on par with the flu now.
"Some of you may die, but that's a risk I'm willing to take" -- @fluke@lemmy.world
With the ability to leap that far you should consider the Olympics.
1.1 million Americans died of Covid, 6.8 million world wide. Today there are still around 300 Americans dying a day of the virus, 90% of those are 65+ in age or older. The number one factor in covid deaths today is being unvaccinated or having other factors that cause covid to be more lethal.
For the majority of the human population this virus poses no issues.
Being the 4th leading cause of death in 2022 is far from "posing no issues"
186.7K a year is below unintentional accidents. Slipping on a wet floor is considered a higher risk of death than covid in 2023. That is why people are no longer focused on it and have moved on.
The bulk of "unintentional accidents" are motor vehicle fatalities, which are actually extremely significant in America. Though I don't really want to get into whether or not the blood price of not giving a shit about the ongoing pandemic is a bargain, because that seems to be morally reprehensible in any event.
Unintentional Motor vehicle accidents: 45,404
Unintentional Fall deaths: 44,686
Unintentional Poison deaths: 102,001
First you post:
186.7K a year is below unintentional accidents. Slipping on a wet floor is considered a higher risk of death than covid in 2023
Then you post:
Unintentional Fall deaths: 44,686
Which most certainly includes "Slipping on a wet floor" but is like one quarter the number of COVID deaths you yourself just posted!
You're obviously upset about COVID and whatever impact it had on your life but posting bullshit just makes you look like an idiot. At least read the things you post, and maybe also try not to completely contradict yourself sentence to sentence.
Showing what unintentional means, falls are a large part of it. Cherry-pick all you like, it doesn't change the subject.
Long covid symptoms are affecting 6% of the entire US population - 1 in 4 who caught covid. One estimate says the cost of long covid to the US economy might be as high as $3.7 trillion.
Just because you don't necessarily die to it any more doesn't mean it "poses no issues".I don't think anyone is saying it doesn't pose an issue with 6%, they are saying it does pose and issue for the other 94%.
Only if the 94% are now completely immune to long covid and wouldn't suffer from it if they do get covid in the future. If that's the case, then the risks really are only the tiny chance of dying to it, usually requiring being immunocompromised or unvaccinated. Otherwise there is also always the additional, orders of magnitude higher risk that you get long covid, and with that comes the risk that you might get stuck to your bed not being able to do anything for over a year for example.
Using the numbers from your other comment, for those 45000 deaths by motor vehicle accidents you also have the over 2 million injuries and disabilities that didn't kill anyone, some of them permanent and debilitating. The risk of death is only one number among many.
Why is death your only metric?
There is a metric for sniffles?
So the only two possibilities for COVID are "sniffles" and "death?" No other possibilities?
Really bad sniffles? It's not anything to worry about anymore. Nature will do it's thing and the human population moves on.
COVID used up all of my sick time when I had it earlier this year because I was out for a week. It gave me symptoms that are still ongoing. I can't get a full night's sleep because I wake up coughing every night. That's "really bad sniffles" to you?
You’re an idiot. A neighbor down the road just died of it last week. 45 years old with a 6 year old little girl. Fuck you.
Hey look, it's one of those "This doesn't affect me, so why should I give a shit?" types! With enough training, they evolve into "Why didn't anyone warn me??!?" types.
COVID is still a pretty new thing. The whole shit storm was only 3 years ago. Flu has been around for fkn ages now, so it's just a common thing. Where we can predict mutations and how they'll effect people and spread. So it's not really a concern, it's just get your flu jab this year.
Whereas we're still researching COVID and learning about it. The mutations are different with different effects.
Until it hits normality like flu, and predictability like flu, it's good to keep people in the know.
I'm thankful it's still being reported about. As someone with a disability that weakens my immune system, I'm glad to see new vaccines or research into it. I got Omicron, thankfully I'd been vaccinated, cause even with the vaccine it sucked for me. And there was some weird AF symptoms, like the air just smelled like cheese, that one really threw me off. But had I not been vaccinated, who knows just how bad it would have gotten.
And then there's long COVID, we don't get long flu. COVID had an effect on my disability and I've felt worse since getting it.
So it's not just as easy as saying but the flu. They're two different things with different effects and predictability levels and research done into them. So instead of complaining that there's still stuff being written about it, be thankful it's being taken seriously so it can eventually just be a background thing that's akin to flu.
Well, coronaviruses are not new as a whole, lots of things fall under that class, but this particular one and the offshoots are just particularly troublesome. More problematic than the virus itself though is the social shit it stirred up where you have a certain segment that seem intent on actively trying to spread it to others, or at least being completly indifferent to it just to say and claim how tough and right they are about it. Stop coughing and sneezing on people all, it wasn't acceptable before this covid, still not now.
We don’t get news articles written and publicised at this level for a new flu variant or vaccine
we should. you should be made aware of new things that can affect your health and well-being. we would all do better if we were informed.
We do; I see them every year. Whether I'm travelling or just trying not to be sick (which costs me money since I don't get paid sick leave), knowing what is "out there" is pretty useful information. By the time flu vaccines start rolling out there's usually a round of articles on what the tri/quadvalent covers and the severity anticipated based on worldwide transmissions.
But we do though. And we are informed. Just like there are news releases when there's a new flu strain, or vaccine or anything.
What I said was specifically 'at this level'. It doesn't need to hit the top headlines for the day.
Oh, I don't agree with that. There's no news release for new flu strains or new flu vaccines (there's new ones every year, you know. It's not a once a decade thing)
Do you actually believe it doesn't need to hit 'at this level' because people would be just as informed if it wasn't? Or do you just not want to see it anymore.
The NHS here is always sending out press releases to the population to remind those that are vulnerable to get their seasonal vaccines (inclusive of flue, and COVID).
There is information out there about new flu mutations and flu shots, but with those applicable going for yearly vaccinations it really is irrelevant.
So, to go back to my original point, which people seem so adamant on willfully misreading so that they can have something to be outraged about, it's not news worthy on the scale these articles want to suggest that they are. There are countless things that change or develop that various different subsections of society need to know about.
if you really truly believe that any information about new flu viruses gets to "the population" then i'm sorry, you are very very very very very very very wrong.
I know what your original point was, i don't care. my point was countering it with "we should have more exposure of health impacting news", you just think that it's not needed because you think that the NHS is delivering this information to "the population", which again, is very very very very very very very wrong.
We don’t get news articles written and publicised at this level for a new flu variant or vaccine, so I don’t see the point for COVID.
Just because something isn't reported on everyday doesn't mean it isn't important
I don't think you deserve the downvoting. I do think it's semi-newsworthy but you're right that people really don't care anymore. We aren't going to mask back up, most people won't get vaccinated, much like the flu, shots are going to be available but just not common. Your overall sentiment is echoing most peoples so I think it's entirely valid despite what the internet justice warriors think
reagebaiters get a block
no one cares