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You see, continuing to unconditionally support genocide is actually the best path towards not genocide and if you disagree you hate democracy
What? They aren't unconditionally supporting it. They're saying they don't want the genocide, which might hurt Benjamin's feelings while he uses the weapons provided by the US to commit that genocide. Trump would enthusiastically give them the same weapons as long as they rent some units from one of his hotels.
What gets me is they can't even give reasons why Kamala keeps moving to the right...
trump has no path to victory without PA.
And 58% of voters in that state want to ban fracking....
It would seem that anyone who knows anything about US politics would be able to work out that banning fracking not only would be a smart policy position this election, it's what Dem voters across the country want.
But too bad, Kamala wants fracking.
And if anyone brings that up, just pointing out an easy and free way to stop trump...
We get called Republicans for not being pro-fracking.
I swear to god the shit these neoliberals come up with is the same logic as Republicans:
Blind obedience or you're "them".
Nooooooo I can't use the one leverage I hold in an electoral system to demand better things, it'll make girlboss Himmler sad
What gets me is how none of you have ever offered a single point to support anyone else that is viable-
All you do is complain, and offer nothing. Seems like you’d rather just shit on the election than participate in it.
I wonder who that helps in the long run?
What gets me is how none of you have ever offered a single point to support anyone else that is viable
No one else is viable...
But we're talking about the best way to get Kamala more votes to stop trump.
That is by pulling her to the left
All you do is complain, and offer nothing
If you don't think making noise online can have an effect, why are we talking about Harris right now and not Biden?
There's still time to pull Kamala left, get her more votes, and not only beat trump but the increased turnout would help down allot in the House/Senate
It's not over, and even after the election it won't be over. Even when she's in office, next election is 2 years, we can't afford to let the only people influencing Kamala being donors and Republicans.
The best way to get Kamala more votes is to vote for Kamala. Full stop. End of arguments.
It’s too late in the game to keep trying to explain this all to you. Either you’re voting for her, or you’re not.
The best way to get Kamala more votes is to vote for Kamala. Full stop. End of arguments.
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Yes.
I am voting for Kamala, she has 100% of the votes I control.
But we are talking about how to get the most other people to vote her.
We can do that by screaming at them that they should, but we'd have to do that to tens of millions of people.
Or...
We could try and get Kamala to move to the left, which would get her more votes and the added benefit of better policy.
Like, which do you think would be more effective?
. Either you’re voting for her, or you’re not
And I don't know know why I have to keep saying this: I'm already voting D, we're talking about the people who aren't.
It’s too late in the game. Some people are either lost causes, or had no intention to ever vote for her to begin with. I’d wager there are VERY FEW fence-sitters that remain at this point- and that is because all EVERONE needs to know about this election is readily available. That they either deny it as truth and refuse to accept it as reality is irrelevant.
They know what we’re up against. So becaue they’re withholding their vote in spite of the facts- they’re putting a LOT of innocent people against the wall because of their protest. This isn’t up for debate. People WILL suffer under Trump.
And as many others have said- most of these people didn’t even know where Palestine was a year ago. Now they’re willing to sacrifice the freedom of their fellow Americans so they can make a stand?
Every election year this happens. Different things, same result.
It’s too late in the game
You keep saying that....
It's what people said about replacing Biden too, then we replaced Biden.
Kamala has up till the last vote is cast to try and beat Trump, not a second earlier is "too late".
Even if it's after the election tho, we can't just pay attention once every four years and hope things magically got better.
It's an ongoing neverending fight, so by definition it's literally never "too late".
The lobbyists never stop, the fascists never stop, why do you want the people to stop?
Fair enough, but I’d wager she has a lot more understanding of how things work than a bunch of random outraged people in a far corner social media platform.
But if you think your suggesting what she do to earn their votes will actually eat their votes despite the fact that they’re not going to vote for her regardless of what she does…
Who am I to stop you.
Because if it’s not genocide, it’ll be something else. I guarantee it. They do this shit every election.
100,000,000 people didn’t vote in 2016. Let that sink in. How many of them were butthurt and outraged single issue idealists do you think?
Enough to change the outcome?
Fair enough, but I’d wager she has a lot more understanding of how things work than a bunch of random outraged people in a far corner social media platform.
Except we're talking about potential Harris voters, and they're not exactly being shy about what they want...
Because if it’s not genocide, it’ll be something else. I guarantee it. They do this shit every election.
Yes, it's not just one single issue, I've listed a bunch of different examples already....
100,000,000 people didn’t vote in 2016. Let that sink in. How many of them were butthurt and outraged single issue idealists do you think?
Yes, and it should scare the shit out of everyone that the same people who ran the DMC and Dem campaign in 2016 are running the DNC and campaign in 2024 and doing the same stupid shit.
We agree on what's important.
You're just blaming voters, and I'm blaming the people running the party and campaign.
They’re not potential votes. That’s my point. Look. I’ll say it one last time:
Every election year this happens. And every election year it’s the same thing. If it’s not genocide, it’s something else.
If this were six months ago, I’d be right there with you. But we’re done now. It’s less than a month away. All that’s left are the willfully ignorant, the easily outraged, and MAGA trolls.
Plus they only shit on Harris, which makes them look like little Jill Stein wannabes.
Among other things.
unconditionally
Hey its the guy on the right
Well what conditions are they putting on it?
How long have we been "Working on a ceasefire" while violating the Lehey law for Israel while we give Ukraine old weapons to fight Russian fascists? It's been a few months of "we can't just stop supporting them" while Israel digs mass graves and calls the UN peacekeepers antisemetic.
Sorry you're right
They conditionally support genocide
Are they? What are the conditions? They've already passed a hundred red lines so I don't know if it's very conditional at all.
Oh no the gEnOcIdE person.
Average democrat voter sympathy to Genocide on display. You would have made a great mid century German citizen.
You just won the fastest Godwin point ever.
May I introduce you to : "Everyone I disagree with is Hitler, a guide to internet discussions for beginners" ?
How wild of me to say making light of genocide would make you fit in to a society that did a genocide. If you cant see the connection there I really dont know if I can explain it more.
Godwin point accusation worked when one calls apple users nazis. Not when talking about to litteral warcrime apologists. In this case, it's just a natural comparaison.
Anyway there's a rope for you in nuremberg you haag-invading scum.
So you had to make a new account (25 minutes, filled with rage anc hate) to spew hate, don't you dare use your main account?
You also seems to mix up a lot about the Hague.
Yes....
Those are bad...
Specifically to people with empathy, which is who makes up the bulk of Dem voters...
Of course they are, but ask those people what's up with the Uyghurs and you get crickets in return.
Spreading the lie that you should not vote (in the american election) for Kamala or Trump because "they support genocide" actually supports Trump, you know the guy wanting to buldoze the middle east, give away Ukraine to Russia and throw their NATO partners under the bus...
Of course they are, but ask those people what's up with the Uyghurs and you get crickets in return.
Spreading the lie that you should not vote (in the american election) for Kamala or Trump because "they support genocide" actually supports Trump, you know the guy wanting to buldoze the middle east, give away Ukraine to Russia and throw their NATO partners under the bus...
Spreading the lie that you should not vote
No one is doing that tho, at least no more than any other election.
Treating people who want more out of Kamala than what she's giving aren't the same.
We can still get their votes by Kamala moving to the left.
What is confusing?