Punish Democrats or Stop Trump? Arab Americans are agonizing over their votes.
Punish Democrats or Stop Trump? Arab Americans are agonizing over their votes.
Pro-Palestinian voters are facing a moral dilemma.
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Why does Trump always get a pass?
It's like everyone against him has to be an utter saint, and one wrong move? Welp, voting for Trump, I guess.
And yes, strategically... this makes no sense for anyone who cares about what's happening in Israel.
It's a fake argument. They were always voting for Trump. I have a relative that said Biden was too old... She's still voting for Trump. These people are wrong in the head.
Saint? Saint?! Do you understand what you're saying right now? The Harris campaign has repeatedly refused to even engage with Arab voters, let alone address their concerns about their friends and family being murdered. To Arab American voters and organizations who have been thoroughly ignored and excluded by the Harris campaign, yeah fuck that of course they're not voting for her.
It's amazing what lengths you'll go to to make apologia for ushering in fascism.
Sigh Do you understand how condescending you're being right now? I got zero sympathy for y'all if Trump loses. With this attitude you're doing it to yourselves. By the way you should read this. It's just a Lemmy comment, but it summarizes what I wanna say to you and people who act like you better than I can myself.
Sigh Do you understand how condescending you’re being right now?
Oh, I'm so sorry for condescending to people who think it's no big deal if people like me are thrown into a camp and murdered for literally no gain, material or moral, for them, because it makes their privileged asses feel smug about how pure they are, or some bullshit.
Well, put yourself in their shoes, and ask yourself why the fuck you would care what happens then? If your family is going to be genocided either way, and one party is going to be worse, but the end result is the same… Why do you care? Your allies don’t care, so why should you?
"It's going to be worse, but also the same; and why would you care about literally anyone else?"
Like I said. It's like calling for LGBT folk to usher in Bush Jr. because Al Gore isn't LGBT-friendly enough. But hey, fuck everyone else and yourselves, right? It's about that feeling of purity you get when filling out your ballot, right?
Yeah I got nothing else to say. If you think that makes you a guardian of democracy or whatever instead of a bootlicker, then go ahead. I'm not American either way so I'll be watching with popcorn.
Yeah I got nothing else to say. If you think that makes you a guardian of democracy or whatever instead of a bootlicker, then go ahead. I’m not American either way so I’ll be watching with popcorn.
"Ha ha good thing America doesn't affect the rest of the world, and who cares about American minorities getting genocided anyway?"
Do you lot even try anymore?
No shit you’re not American. You just want the US to collapse with someone like Trump becoming President. Fuck off with your nonsense.
"Harris does nothing for me, so I'll vote for the guy who'll have me killed." Makes perfect sense.
Okay I'll just say: Y'all deserve Trump. Seriously. If this community is even remotely representative of politically active democrats then y'all had it coming. Why is it that when I'm representing a viewpoint that's not considered here everyone's kneejerk reaction is to dismiss that viewpoint and shoot the messenger? No matter how you feel about it the fact that there are people who think that and the fact that they have valid reasons for thinking that remains. Arguing with me about their opinions changes nothing, and neither does mocking them.
Some of us attempt to take reality on reality's terms, rather than pretend we have national ranked choice voting. The only signal people are sending by voting for a third-party presidential candidate is that they are easily fooled into voting against their own interests. Feel free to organize for your preferred alternative during primaries and local elections, and know that the Republican party is not going implement RCV or give one single fuck about Netanyahu continuing his genocide.
Guess what, whatever country you live in will ABSOLUTELY be impacted if Trump becomes president. Unless you’re in Russia, Iran, or N Korea, it’ll most likely be a negative impact.
Also the democratic party has been in power, enabling the genocide for over a year.
That genocide has been going on for more than an adminstration though.
So we're supporting an ongoing genocide because... the sunk cost fallacy?
Oof.
No, the US is supporting the genocide to continue the instability of the middle east to easily get resources out of it.
Are you gonna act like our continued reliance on fossil fuels isn't also largely due to the sunk cost fallacy?
I don't understand your question.
Oh so it’s only an important issue for you when it’s convenient, huh? Where’s your genocide comments about Ukraine? What’s happening there is also a genocide, yet the only comments I hear from your ilk is about the Middle East.
The situations in Palestine and Ukraine are markedly different.
Ukraine has received immense support from Western nations since the start of the Russian invasion, i.e., in support of the defense of Ukraine. The democractic party has been in power since the beginning of that conflict as well.
Western nations have been giving support to the standing army of the defending nation, who are facing a professional army.
Palestine has been under seige from the beneficiary of Western support, i.e., in support of the offense of Palestine.
Western nations have given support to the standing army of the offensive nation, who are facing an insurgency who lack the personnel, training, and support systems of a modern professional army.
The civilian death counts in Palestine have been staggering. Over 44,000 civilians have been killed in Palestine in a little over a year. In Ukraine, over 11,000 civillians have been killed, despite the Russian invasion occuring in February of 2022, 2 years and 9 months ago.
The distinctions between the two situations are apparent, which is why people are being more vocal about Palestine.
I would say nothing about either of the conflicts has been convenient for most people, but both matters are important, albeit for different reasons.
Also, on a personal note, ilk? I didn't realize we were in the Hog's Head.