The Democratic party refused to understand that courting the right doesn't work, and now it's cost them the election
The Democratic party refused to understand that courting the right doesn't work, and now it's cost them the election
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I'm sure them supporting and paying to kill women and children didn't help either, and that their online cult acted almost as fascist as the person they claimed they were trying to stop.
and that their online cult acted almost as fascist as the person they claimed they were trying to stop.
Yeah, like how Harris fans were talking about people poisoning the blood of the country and their plans about deporting millions of people, which would require concentration camps. And then there's the Democratic party's genocidal persecution of queer people.
Basically no difference at all.
I don't want to leave this country, but I'm so fucking glad I'll get away from these sort of stupid lies.
I'm not in your country, but already have Timewarp tagged as "Trump talking point maniac" for some time. Just so you know the lies are available abroad too.
I know they are, but less so. Or at least hopefully less so about America. I'll have to deal with all new lies in Britain.
Well Keir Starmer was one of the first to congratulate Trump on his victory before it was official, and talk about the "special relationship" between the two countries, so I wouldn't get your hopes up. Trump also owns a golf club is Scotland, so is sure to visit and the Tories are pushing for him to be allowed to address parliament when he does, which is nice.
When Keir Starmer starts planning the queer genocide Trump's people are planning, I'll give more of a shit. Right now, I am laser-focused on protecting my child. That is my only job right now.
To drop all the snark: I do worry about the UK, but for sure it would be a better place to be than the US right now.
They were talking about their plans to deport more people, build more immigrant holding facilities, and shutting the border down. When republicans started fear mongering about the "immigrant caravan", democrats hopped right on board.
Not even close to the same.
No one is saying they were good. That's the mistake so many people make about people who voted for Harris. Plenty of us didn't do it because we liked Harris. We did it because we hated Trump.
Over and over again, I said to people telling me not to vote for Harris, "which candidate should I vote for that has a legitimate chance of beating Donald Trump?" And I didn't get an answer.
Then, when Indiana finalized it's ballot, there were four names on it and write-ins were not allowed: Harris, Trump, Kennedy and Oliver. Again, I asked who I should vote for multiple times. No answer. The closest I got was a very confused person who told me I shouldn't vote for any of them as I did a process of elimination while simultaneously saying I shouldn't abstain.
Good lord you're prolific on here. Im pretty sure youve argued with me against progressive parties before and all of this is extreme revisionism. But its too far buried.
I'm not sure how that changes the fact that I asked and asked and I never got an answer for who I should vote for.
Even now, you're not saying who I should have voted for.
That is not how anyone wins elections.
I think you are completely lying. I was on here a lot promoting Stein, and getting extremely opposed by you and everyone else. Fuck off with this "i just wanted an answer" innocent BS
I'm not lying at all.
I literally could not vote for Stein. Did you not read what I wrote? Do I need to show you the Indiana ballot and prove it to you?
Oh im well aware, of the democratic campaign against ballot access and write-in permission for the green party. And you are too, and I think you participated in it. You didnt just recently show up, youve been on here the whole election cycle. Before primaries, before these decisions were made, fighting against any alternative to democrats.
I didn't fight anything.
Again, I asked over and over who I should vote for that had a good chance of beating Trump. That was my number one reason for voting.
I did not get an answer except one guy who said Cornell West, which is laughably wrong. I apparently didn't ask you if you would have said Jill Stein because that has been laughably wrong multiple times now.
I can't help it if people can't get their act together and give me a name. I'm not going to pick one out of a hat.
It doesn't matter what country you go as long as it is a two party corporatocracy and the "left" is parading around with war-mongering neocons, supporting genocide, censoring and astroturfing social media for people point it out, etc... then you'll get the same result.
Oh that's fine. It's a three party corporatocracy in England. Plus the corporatocracies in other parts of Britain.
But they know what fascism is and they know that what Harris' supporters wanted wasn't fascism. So I'm happy to be going there.
I'm a progressive that is against fascism and genocide, but the number of Democrats that censored me and called me a fascist has me convinced that many of them are perfectly content with fascism as long as it is their fascism.
What, exactly, is "their fascism?"
"Censoring" you on a non-government website has nothing to do with fascism.
Censoring people, especially when they're telling the truth, so you can control the narrative through gaslighting and lies is pretty fascist in my book.
Then you need to learn what fascism is. And from someone who lived through a brutal fascist regime:
You don't know me. There are many elements of fascism. Several things in that link you just posted describe the Democrat party.
True. I don't know you. However, I do know you didn't live through Mussolini's Italy unless you are an extremely old man.
Umberto Eco did. He experienced fascism directly. You're now acting like you know about it better than he did. That's quite silly.
Are you an extremely old man? Who are you to pretend to know it better than anyone else? Texts help people understand the times, but don't encapsulate the experience or the nuances involved. I'm referring to what America, myself included, is going through now. Democrats didn't have to lose this election. Their choices are why they lost. And I stand by what I said, many of the characteristics of fasicsm in the link you posted sound an awful-lot like the Democratic party, admittedly not as radical as those of the Republicans.
You can stop now. Putin isnt paying overtime.
Nobody is under the illusion that Trump is better for the situation in Gaza than Harris.
But, too many left-leaning voters feel they have to "take a stand" by staying home or voting third party. I have several friends who did exactly that, even though it's abundantly clear that staying home is effectively a vote for Trump.
Meanwhile, NOBODY on the conservative side is doing that shit. It's been true since the Reagan era, the conservatives put aside any personal distaste they have, and they get behind their candidate.
Almost like Kamala could have changed her stance on the situation and got those people out to vote for her. But sure, let's blame people not willing to hold their nose and vote for more genocide.
Hmm yes let us instead enable the guy who wants to give Israel a blank check with no leash, very smart
And by doing so the voted for more genocide. What a bunch of dumb cunts.
I agree. The Democrat party has become nothing more than a bunch of dumb corporate bureaucrats. Will they ever learn?
Aww dude. Good job completely missing the point. But hey if it helps you sleep at night.
Good job getting Trump elected.
Pretty impressive since I'm in Ireland. And you're the one trying to justify not voting.
Who said they didnt vote? If you support a genocide you are the problem.
Aww dude. Get off the high horse more a moment before the next thing comes along and you forget all Palestine.
How is allowing the person who will support even more genocide better?
How is allowing the person who will support even more genocide better?
you think you're going to provide a new argument I havent heard in the last year with this hot take?
if you want to discuss shades of genocides you're comfortable with. feel free. I'm not interested. I stop at any. I'm sorry your preferred candidate didn't meet that very low bar and lost. truly I am. learn from this and demand better.
and frankly? she lost. it was already demonstrated how absolutely horrible of a campaign she ran, empirically. I no longer need to argue on this topic anymore. the proof is in the pudding. you guys supported a genocidal candidate in a party that loathes violence and tried absolutely toxic brow beating people with 'lesser evil` nonsense so they tuned out and didn't vote for you.
you were warned. we told you what we were doing. and you decided that 'genocide is a good hill to die on for harris'. even if you magically convinced me it was in my best interest she win (which you didn't need to, I already knew this, Im from a safe state, I could have just let you idiots blissfully lose); you'd still need to manage 19.9999million more people. 🤷
next time learn that convincing 1 person they need to shift (harris) is the easier target. esp for something as trivial as don't genocide.
But, too many left-leaning voters feel they have to "take a stand" by staying home or voting third party. I have several friends who did exactly that, even though it's abundantly clear that staying home is effectively a vote for Trump.
That is the big problem here that people just don't want to admit.
Could it be the dogshit right wing Hillary-repeating campaign the Harris folks ran?
The same campaign leftists have been tearing apart and pointing out the objective failures of, predicting exactly this result?
No, it must be the nonexistent leftists who are wrong.
You people are hilarious lmao. You seriously think the average American even knows one shred of leftist theory?
I guess if you people knew why you lost, you wouldn’t have lost so I can’t blame you too much. The curse of a weak mind must be hard to bear.
"We've been actively trying to tear you down, it's not our fault."
Correct its the fault of the person advocating a genocide.
'dont commit a genocide, toss in some prolabor policies.'
'Stop tearing me down!'
Do you even fucking hear yourself. Lol
"Do you hear yourself" from you is rich.
Indeed my speech is high in protein. It does the soul good. You should try not supporting a genocide sometime yourself. Once you can do that all the other little groups im sure you've tried to brow beat people with would suddenly also be protected.
That's a lot of words that mean fuck all.
But I guess you've got to score your nonexistent points somehow.
Just look at the numbers. Harris will probably finish 15 million votes behind Biden 2020. Those are people who could have voted, but didn't.