We did it, guys!

Except those 14 million voters who stayed home did turn out to vote, in 2020. So what happened in 2024 that caused them to stay home?

The DNC ran a milquetoast, status quo centrist candidate on a centrist platform, basically mirroring Biden's unpopular policies. People were very excited when Harris first stepped up because she was a glimmer of hope.

And then she spent her entire campaign aligning more with Biden and his centrist policies, trying to win over moderates.

I wouldn’t blame the democrats for going harder right now to both eat away at the republican’s support and target the people who actually turn out to vote.

The voters asked the DNC to move left repeatedly over the last four years, and the DNC refused, and voters stayed home in protest. You can't win elections without votes, and you can't get votes without appealing to voters.

Target the people who actually turn out to vote? 94% of Republicans voted Republican in this election, same as 2020.

Only 37% of eligible voters actually vote. So that's 60%+ of eligible voters that can be won over to the Democrats, they just need to figure out what policies these people would actually support.

Still the fickle left wasn’t happy and over ten million voters who voted Biden before wouldn’t turn out for her.

Oh fuck off, "the fickle left," you mean the part of the party that the Dems clearly need to win in elections that they absolutely refuse to pander to in anyway?

You're fucking right they weren't happy, they shouldn't be. They weren't asking for every item on their wishlist, the most vocal outcries from the "fickle left" were regarding her unpopular, conservative policies.

100,000 people protest voted over Palestine in Michigan, and Harris and the DNC wrote those 100,000 voters off, and then lost Michigan by less than 100,000 votes. They wanted her to not blindly support Israel, that's fucking it, and apparently the DNC refusing to budge on the issue, yeah, that's the "fickle left's" fault. 🙄

Who would have thought that giving left Americans no viable candidate to vote for that actually represents their beliefs, would result in them just staying home? Ooh, they get to choose between Fascism and Republican-lite, wooooooooooow, I can't understand why anyone wouldn't want to come vote.

Bernie said it best, "The Democratic Party abandoned the working class in their campaign, and then were shocked when the working class abandoned the Democratic Party."

The DNC 1000000000% did this to themselves, and average people are going to suffer because of their arrogance and hubris and entitlement.

Answer me this. How fucked up is it to tell women and lgbt people that our lives are worth less than people halfway across the world who hate us just as much as Republicans. Because thats what you abstainers did.

Idk, ask the DNC, they were willing to gamble the lives of women and LGBTQ+ folks because they didn't want to not support a genocide.

So what would you want people to do when their kids/grandkids ask them what they did to stop a genocide? Isn't Lemmy always screaming about, regardless of the reasoning, a Nazi is a Nazi.

So it's ok to force me to support a genocide, rather than shift your party's platform to reflect what the voters actually want?

"We don't have to change, YOU have to get over it, we're entitled to your vote, SCREEEEEEEEEEEEECH!!!?!?!?8!$-?#7_?" - You

If you tried for two years and got nowhere, maybe the blame circles back to yall not accepting a clear "no".

"Your issue clearly didn't matter, so stfu and blame yourself for having fucking convictions."

Or, here's an idea: if the same people are bringing the same concern to you consistently over the course of two fucking years, maybe you, the candidate, need to rethink your policies.

Or, maybe they kept it up despite being ignored for two years because it was that fucking important to them as an issue.

What a fucking joke, you seriously read what you're writing here and go, "Oh yeah, I am so smart, I know everything."

It wasnt the DNC either. Biden chose to try to run, against the advice of basically everyone around him. On the other hand, you might be the only person who isnt a Republican to give a shit about wanting a primary. Definitely the first Ive encountered.

It was the DNC. Bidens staff were fully aware of his cognitive decline and kept it a secret.

And the primary thing makes zero sense to me, the Dems haven't had an actual primary since Obama. 2016 they fucked Bernie over despite his popularity and forced Clinton on us, they basically forced through Biden by keep Warren in long enough to leech voters off a second Bernie run, and then we didn't even have one.

So the DNC tells the American people, "You don't get a say in who your candidate will be, and your candidate will also ignore you completely, but you have to vote for them." And you blame the voters for being apathetic? Yeah, makes sense, it's the fault of those not being represented for not being represented.

See what I said above about ignoring a clear no, and telling the rest of us marginalized Americans we matter less than Palestine.

This is just elitist entitlement, "sEe WhAt i SaId AbovE aBoUt a ClEaR nO," fuck off. You don't get to dictate yes and no, the voters told the DNC how it would work: you change your policy on Palestine, or you don't get our votes.

The DNC, through their arrogance, hubris, and entitlement, decided they felt the voters were bluffing, and called them on it.

And the voters didn't bluff. Sure sounds to me like they all told the DNC "no," and maybe y'all need to fucking get over it and accept that No you got from your base.

And since we're gonna play this bullshit "Explain to me why women's and LGBT lives matter less than Palestinians," I want you to explain to me why you weren't standing with your Arab American brothers and sisters demanding their voices be heard? Where was your support of their concerns, I mean, it's only fair you supported them like you're demanding they support you, right?

And then I want you to explain to me why those Palestinian lives matter less than American LGBT and women's lives, because I sure would love to know why you feel entitled to their vote but they aren't entitled to their lives.

The reason the DNC doesn't push progressive candidates, above all else, is that progressives cannot be counted on to vote. Why would they appeal to you when they know the moderate conservatives will at least show up.

And hows their strategy of trying to win moderates over instead going? Lost four out of the last 7 elections? Real winning strategy there, maybe it'll work if we just double down and try to win even more moderate voters.

And the DNC doesn't push progressive candidates because they don't want progress, you fucking muppet. They're the other side of the conservative coin, they only care about the status quo.

They have to compromise, the DNC, the voters are done and aren't going to compromise anymore. And you can plug your ears and "but but but," all you fucking want: Harris didn't convince people she was worth voting for, full stop.

She fucking failed, she ran a loser campaign, and she fucking lost. And you're so "vote blue no matter who" you can't, or won't, understand that people aren't going to vote unless there's something worth voting for.

Every policy was "Well, we're just not gonna be as evil," basically. And people were expected to save democracy based on that? They had a fucking grand slam lined up (I know you like metaphors and such) ready to go, and Harris decided to bunt instead of swinging for the fences.

And she fucking lost, and we, the average American, are going to suffer because, for fucking once, the DNC couldn't plug their fucking noses like we have for over a decade, and run policies that might actually excite people to vote.

But no, that's completely unreasonable, you're right.

We demanded

And how'd those demands go, solid win for the Democrats, right? Total landslide? 🙄

But keep demanding, people love having things demanded of them, especially when their concerns are immediately ignored after and nothing meaningful is offered in return beyond "bUt ThE oTheR gUy!!!!!!"

Congratulations, you get a cookie. Now why couldnt the other 14,999,999 work that one out?

First: I'm a piece of shit when you think I haven't voted for Harris, and then when I tell you I do, you mock me as if that was the bare minimum and I'm an idiot for think it means anything. So which is it, do you want to celebrate those who did vote for Harris, or was that just the expectation that you felt entitled to?

Second: I've already answered this and you just keep plugging your ears and screaming it's the voters fault.

Harris didn't convince them she was worth voting for or that Trump was worth voting against. She ran an unpopular platform, treated her constituents like children, ignored their concerns, and aligned further right the longer the campaign went on.

They fucking ran a Republican-lite against a Republican, and you're all now screaming and trying to understand why a voter, especially a Democrat, would choose not to vote given those choices.

Apparently Americans are so unhappy with the status quo, 14 million Dems chose to stay home. Maybe the Dems need to figure out what they did that made them so unpopular, and stop blaming their voting base for their failures.

Wanting the DNC to field a more progressive candidate isnt wrong. Expecting them to do so in response to not voting is an idealistic dream, and blaming them for siding with the faction that can be trusted to show up is the arrogance.

We were told to vote Biden to prevent a second Trump term, and that the Democrats would be movable and moldable so long as we got them into office. We got Biden in, and four years later we're being told the same thing, while the DNC has not moved on any of our policies at all.

So they're showing us they're unwilling to change, even if it means they'll fucking win, but you're demanding people vote for them anyway because we can make them more progressive after they're elected, but the- wait.

So the party won't move left unless we elect them, and after we elect them, we demand they move left (like the protest movement), and they refuse... So what incentive did we give them to move left? They were elected on their centrist status quo policies, and now they're giving us the middle finger. But I'm being told I have to vote for them again, and this time they'll move left, but...

All of their policies are the status quo again, and the last time we elected them and tried to move them left, they refused. I know! Let's elect them on their centrist platform again, but this time we'll make them pinky promise that they're gonna shift to the left for real this time.

You're fucking joking with this, right? "We have to elect moderates so we can mold them into progressives." They already got your vote, they could not care less what you want, they already won and are set for 2-6 years.

You're telling people they have a right to demand change of the DNC, but then criticize any attempt for people to shift the DNC left (protest vote, amirite) making it sound like it's "just not the right time," or "it's not convenient right now."

The same shit Republicans and conservative politicians say about striking workers fighting for their rights. All they have to bargain with is their labor, and you're the kind of person who would demand they get back to work because it's not convenient for them to be striking right now. So instead, just accept your status quo crumbs and try to change the system later, when it's more convenient, even though that's what you were in the middle of doing when your fellow countrymen started calling you a scab and traitor for standing up for what you believe in.

You don't get to have your cake and eat it too. You don't get to tell voters they have to accept the party as they are and that they're only allowed to protest when it's convenient. You don't get to say you're the good guys and still support evil policies your voter base is vocally against. You don't get to treat your constituents like children to be lectured, and then expect them to "grow up" and vote for policies they don't believe in or candidates they don't feel represented by.

I hit the character limit, but you're a fucking moron, and I'm done with this discussion.

This is just ridiculous, it was not an “armed robbery.” You don’t need to exaggerate to try and make your misguided point.

Its called a metaphor

Is it like those complicated trolley problems with 5 levers that you guys drawn on paint to explain everybody that genocide was unavoidable?