Fake vegans
Fake vegans
Vegans being banned and comments being deleted from !vegan@lemmy.world for being fake vegans.
From my perspective, the comments were in no way insulting and just part of completely normal interaction. If this decision reflects the general opinion of the mod team, then from my perspective, the biggest vegan community on Lemmy wants to be an elitist cycle of hardcore vegans only, not allowing any slightly different opinion. Which would be very unfortunate.
PS: In contrast to the name of this community, I don't want to insult anyone here being a 'bastard'. I just want to post this somewhere on neutral ground. I would really appreciate an open discussion without bashing anyone.
PPS: Some instances or clients seem to compress the screenshots in a way they're unreadable. Find the full resolution here: https://imgur.com/a/8XdexTm
Linking the affected users and mods: @Cypher@lemmy.world @gaael@lemmy.world @gredo@lemmy.world @iiGxC@slrpnk.net @veganpizza69@lemmy.world @veganpizza69@lemmy.vg @jerkface@lemmy.ca @TheTechnician27@lemmy.world @Sunshine@lemmy.ca @Aqua@lemmy.vg
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Sure. If.
But it's not going to happen. Ever. The world is doomed and it's a massive systemic issue. Me eating fake cheese isn't going to fix it. A million people eating fake cheese won't help it. It will exacerbate it.
The problem is capitalism and the scale of industrial farming. It's not going to change by people being voluntarily vegan.
Appeal to Futility again. A vegan diet literally fixes the problem. It would remove 68% of the food chains climate emissions.
What do you think drives capitalism? If YOU stop eating animal products, and convince other people like I have, the demand for them drops. YOU are the problem, YOU are creating the demand, stop blaming a system, when you're literally the reason it exists.
If YOU stop eating animal products, and convince other people like I have, the demand for them drops.
didn't you try that?
And Ive reduced my carbon emissions immensely. Now it's your turn.
as far as I can tell carbon emissions keep rising.
Because people continue to emit carbon. If people went vegan, carbon emissions would reduce.
but you just said that you went vegan, and they didn't reduce. the evidence does not support your theory.
They did reduce. Fewer animals have been bred to feed me as my demand isn't there. Fewer emissions.
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/meat-production-tonnes?tab=chart&country=~OWID_WRL
according to this, we are producing more meat than ever
And if I and all other vegans started eating meat, they'd need to produce even more.
You do realise me eating meats means the world has to produce more meat right?
If Billy has 5 marbles, and Johnny asks for a marble, Billy now has 4 marbles. Billy will have to get another marble to have 5 again.
If Johnny doesn't ask for marble, Billy will still have 5 marbles.
Am I going to fast for you?
So you believe that shit BP made up about us watching our carbon footprints so they can blame us for climate change? If so then shut the fuck up, because you don't actually care about stopping or reducing climate change, if you're going to advocate for the solutions that were literally made up by the oil companies so we wouldn't protest them and/or get their business BANNED, which is how these problems are actually solved.
Yes I'm aware of that. You can go vegan AND protest oil companies, look at Greta Thunberg. Just because a bad corporation tells you to cut down on your emissions, doesn't automatically make that message bad.
I like the passion though, doesn't it feels frustrating being so anti-oil company, but defending the meat industry? They're both horrible industries destroying the planet, propagandizing the populace, and destroying our health.
they didn't defend the meat industry
I complained about the meat industry. They said "shut the fuck up".
If Johnny says "Billy is bad!", and Sammy says "shut the fuck up!", Sammy is defending Billy.
Am I still going too fast for you?
you are making a leap of logic.
I said shut the fuck up because you're blindly parroting carbon footprint rhetoric pioneered by Big oil. Learn how to read properly and quit shoving words in people's mouths that they didn't say, (like claiming I support the meat industry because I called you out on using BP's climate change consumer blame bullshit rhetoric).
This is called a strawman and a red herring and they are logical fallacies typically used by someone arguing in bad faith. Which is exactly what you are doing here in this thread, by accusing me of something I never said, based on criticism of an unrelated point, that being your use of the very incorrect, and consumer scapegoating carbon footprint rhetoric.
But it’s not going to happen. Ever.
You're not god.
Nor are you. And unlike God (and you, apparently), I'm existing in reality.
That's a lot of arrogance to say you're "existing in reality" when nobody can see into the future.
It's more arrogant to say "If the world suddenly adopted my view, climate change is basically solved, the risk of zoonotic diseases (COVID, bird flu, swine flu etc) basically stops, the risk of treatment resistant antibiotics hugely drops, conscious feeling creatures aren't tortured and killed for pleasure."
If I wanted to fight vegans right now, I'd be downstairs talking to my wife. I'm happy being ovo-lacto again. My girls are well cared for (I built them a mansion of a coop out of mostly reclaimed wood), and they repay me daily, and I'm enjoying creamy cheeses and ice cream that doesn't taste like frostbitten ass (or paying $9/pint for a decent alternative)