Fake vegans
Fake vegans
Vegans being banned and comments being deleted from !vegan@lemmy.world for being fake vegans.
From my perspective, the comments were in no way insulting and just part of completely normal interaction. If this decision reflects the general opinion of the mod team, then from my perspective, the biggest vegan community on Lemmy wants to be an elitist cycle of hardcore vegans only, not allowing any slightly different opinion. Which would be very unfortunate.
PS: In contrast to the name of this community, I don't want to insult anyone here being a 'bastard'. I just want to post this somewhere on neutral ground. I would really appreciate an open discussion without bashing anyone.
PPS: Some instances or clients seem to compress the screenshots in a way they're unreadable. Find the full resolution here: https://imgur.com/a/8XdexTm
Linking the affected users and mods: @Cypher@lemmy.world @gaael@lemmy.world @gredo@lemmy.world @iiGxC@slrpnk.net @veganpizza69@lemmy.world @veganpizza69@lemmy.vg @jerkface@lemmy.ca @TheTechnician27@lemmy.world @Sunshine@lemmy.ca @Aqua@lemmy.vg
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Why is it an insane comparison?
Cows, pigs, sheeps, etc. are raped (no consent) and sexually assaulted (against their will) for dairy, meat, wool...
Cows, pigs, sheeps, etc. are raped (no consent) and sexually assaulted (against their will) for dairy, meat, wool...
😂😂😂
Carry on, you are hilarious.
I cant help but notice those who downvoted us for making this observation did not choose to give words to their disagreement with us.
edit: if downvotes are worth a thousand words you must be collectively producing some kind of masterpiece. I look forward to reading it someday. Cowards.
That's okay. There are many people who only know their food as a bite-sized anonymous mass from the supermarket. who think that cows just give milk all the time. They don't know how piglets are bred. That you can walk into any barn and see unfathomable suffering in every corner. Who have never heard of forceful impregnation, confinement crates, premature separation, tail docking, mulesing, torture breeding, teeth clipping, CO2 chambers, castration, steroid growth, veal crates, tethering, weaning rings, induced moulting, sheep dipping... and we haven't even started on the illegal cruelties.
In this state of blissful ignorance, you might regard someone who associates eating a steak with rape as crazy.
I used to be like this too. And to be honest, there are times when I wish I could return to it and just dismiss vegans with a downvote as exaggerating and annoying.
I worked as grocery store meat cutter for a time after high school. It taught me a lot, but one lesson stands out to me most clearly.
I was cleaning the counter to shut down for the night, it's slow. A person comes up to my counter and asks if I can help find gelatin. While walking to the aisle I- helpfully I thought at the time- proceded to infodump about gelatin and its manufacture. The look of disgust, a comment to the effect of "I've been feeding my baby bones?!"
People don't know and they don't want to know. If they knew they'd be disgusted and would have to change, they know that much, subconsciously at least. So they don't look and they lash out at anyone who insists on the fact of a farm animal holocaust, every day, perpetually sustained so that they may continue to have eggs and bacon and milk for breakfast every day forever and ever and ever.
Wouldn't want to hurt anyone's feelings would we.
Are you me? I worked in a butcher's shop after school. For me, it was like a job in any other factory, except that the clothes smelled a bit disgusting in the evening. Curing pork belly I never made any connection and didn't feel any remorse. I was happy to have quick and cheap access to meat. Eating meat was part of the identity in my circle of friends.
The pendulum only swung around when I lived among complete strangers for a while. But I also realize that not everyone gets that chance in life.
I cant help but notice those who downvoted us for making this observation did not choose to give words to their disagreement with us.
Wow, look at all these people looking at me with disgust but not engaging, surely I am the biggest genius ever without any mental equals
- Guy screaming and tossing shit at those who interact with him
I cant help but notice that you still haven't argued for your position except to call me, personally, disgusting (while claiming I'm flinging shit, go figure). I'm gonna go ahead and sic the mods on you for that.
you still haven't argued for your position
Why waste my time with someone who's already shown themselves to be arguing in bad faith?
except to call me, personally, disgusting
Too dumb to read, I see, I never called you that
I'm gonna go ahead and sic the mods on you for that.
What's up with people on Lemmy thinking this is a threat and not the biggest admittance that they're pathetic?
I think it might save a lot of time if you could just cut to the chase and say what it is you're upset about. I am absolutely scratching my head looking over my post history for the last week and more to figure out what's got a bug up your ass.
I think it might save a lot of time if you could just cut to the chase and say what it is you're upset about.
Ok so you are actually insane or incapable of reading, then? I'm not upset and I directly replied to the comment of yours I thought was silly and why I thought so, what a weird question to ask
I don't think an impartial observer would agree. Let's ask chatgpt what it thinks of your bewildering comments:
Below is an objective look at “good faith” in this specific exchange, meaning a willingness to clarify one’s own arguments, consider the other side’s perspective, and avoid personal attacks:
Willingness to Clarify
DarkNightoftheSoul repeatedly invites the other party to “cut to the chase” or articulate the specific issue in question. This suggests an openness to dialogue and a desire for clarity—traits associated with good faith. Gamermanh shows some reluctance to expand on their underlying criticism, dismissing the conversation as a waste of time due to perceived bad faith. While it’s possible to suspect someone is arguing dishonestly, refusing to clarify further typically comes across as less constructive.
Tone and Personal Attacks
DarkNightoftheSoul does threaten to involve moderators, which could be seen as escalating. However, they do not engage in explicit name-calling. Gamermanh uses direct insults (“too dumb to read,” “actually insane,” “pathetic,” etc.). Such language undercuts any constructive argument that might be made and signals less willingness to engage productively.
Effort to Engage on Substance
DarkNightoftheSoul asks for more detail about what, specifically, is causing the conflict or disagreement. This shows a measure of good faith: they want to understand the exact point of contention. Gamermanh appears more focused on criticizing the other person’s character or style of interaction than on discussing the underlying topic. That makes it difficult to see a good‐faith effort at resolution.
Given these observations, the position that better demonstrates good faith is the one attempting to clarify issues and inviting further explanation—namely DarkNightoftheSoul’s. Their overall approach is closer to constructive engagement, even if the interaction still has tension. In contrast, relying on dismissals and personal insults generally signals a lower level of good‐faith participation, making it harder to resolve the disagreement.