Ig Nutomic really hasn't changed his stance on their infamous DM and this time, it was on a public thread
On any of the donation threads where it came up and he replied to it, the most he ever did was some half hearted corporate PR "apology" (ironic)
The topic of trans women in sports is a complex one and not black and white.
If Usain Bolt identified as a women and underwent the required procedures (not sure what that would be if any) Should he be allowed to compete in women's sports?
Do you care more that a significant proportion of the population (0.5% of people depending on statistics) can be comfortable and fit into categories without being discriminated and thus have a community and do sports.
Or do you care more about who wins a medal at the olympics?
Essentially, do you care more about protecting medals or protecting people?
what if there was 3 sections for sports: male at birth, women at birth, and then a mixed thing in which anyone could compete
I don't really see the problem with that sorta system
A lot of people didn't see a problem with segregating water fountains by race, either.
bad comparison
Trans aren't oppressed like black people were
Can't use public bathroom for their gender even if they look like any other member of their gender.
Can't use public bathroom for their assigned-at-birth gender because they don't look like that gender anymore and it will feel - and be - unsafe.
Can't enter their country of origin because their passport does not match their gender
Frequently harassed and ostracized, increasingly likely they will be denied healthcare that helps keep them alive
We're not playing the "who had it worse" game because everyone loses.
But they are absolutely fucking oppressed.
yeah but segregating water fountains is different because the only reason it was done was bc of racism, there only needs to be one fountain
in sports men are inheritly stronger than women, so it makes sense to segregate them like that. now idk about how people transitioning from male to female or visa versa works with this, but if someone who was born male transitions to female but somehow retains some of that inherit strength (like say, they've got different bone structure or their muscles developed differently, or something that hormones cant change), I think they could have an advantage over other women in that sport.
I don't wanna come off as transphobic or something, I don't know much about all this, but I hope you see my point
I suspect the fact that you don't know much about it is why you are parroting widely discredited transphobic talking points.
The point is that today, we see clearly with the benefit of hindsight that racial segregation was done purely for the sake of racism. At the time, people muddied the waters with pseudoscientific rationalizations like phrenology and eugenics to mislead the masses and justify their bigotry, just like people are doing today with trans people in sports.
The only reason water fountains are seen as different is because the racists lost and we collectively have a new perspective after decades of integration. The transphobes are still empowered. Make no mistake, the bigots would love to reinstate all manner of segregation if they could, racial or otherwise. Trans people are just an easier target right now.
first off thats a hypothetical situation made up for the single purpose of excusing discrimination.
second off, I think you should look into the process of transitioning. It seems that you just think it's bottom surgery ("required procedures") and that's it.
Please learn about this topic before claiming that you know both sides. You can't say its black and white when you haven't even looked into the "required procedures".
I'm not really good at refuting the points made against including trans people in sports, but John Oliver in Last Week Tonight did a segment about trans athletes if you actually want to learn about the pro trans athlete arguments.
Thanks, I will give it a watch I enjoy his content. I have a controversial opinion but I'm open to have my mind changed.
While he did spend a part of an hour in the topic, keep in mind its a very limited and narrow perspective on the situation. Its still good for him to have done an episode on it though, worth watching. I would recommend watching both right and left wing media on the subject if you want to try to understand the disagreements about it.
I watch John Oliver a lot I like his content and agree with the vast majority of what he says.
I also like watching right wing stuff so I don't end up in a echo chamber, I find most right wing stuff rediculous. But there's some crazy thigns happening that I wouldn't be aware of if I didn't watch it so I'm glad I do/did