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AOC Seen as ‘Face’ of Democratic Party — and It’s Not Even Close: New Poll

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Zero chance the DNC will run her. They'll give us another white bread, right of center, compromise candidate. The Overton window has shifted so far right we need to build a new wall to house it.
- Oh I fully expect Democrats to endorse Trump for a third term if the alternative is a real progressive.
- Personally, I think it is too late to save the DNC. Best to start over in a better place.
  
  This is something I see come up a lot, but I think people are severely underestimating the amount of infrastructure that would be lost by "starting over." Fundraising, state committees, local committees, volunteers, etc. "Starting over" effectively means surrendering nearly every election on any scale larger than a municipality to MAGA Republicans for years while those networks are rebuilt and the country cannot survive that. We need more political parties, but unless and until a viable 3rd party emerges, we're stuck with what we've got and refusing to support the only non MAGA options at the ballot box will actively make the country worse.
  If you don't like it, help build that 3rd party and recruit candidates and donors to your cause (or try to shift the DNC and the Overton window back to the left). Until that's done there unfortunately isn't a better alternative.
  
  ...think of all the cost already sunk into this failure!
  
  Fundraising, state committees, local committees, volunteer
  What if those things are not actually essential in modern day politics?
  
  What if they're more important than ever before in American history?
  
  Then the same type of politicians will rise through the existing system.
  
  I think most people wouldn't want to. Unfortunately, I suspect that the Trump Regime only offers two choices: submit to an existence of GOP rule for the rest of our lives, or force the GOP out of existence.
  As a very lazy person, I would prefer to coast throughout my life and not worry about much. Unfortunately, that gets harder with each year that passes: the economy is getting worse, RFK wants to send me to an wellness farm, innocents are being trafficked to death camps in El Salvador, and rules that erode liberty for the everyday person are being imposed upon us.
  If people like myself don't get into a "start over" mindset, we might end up paying the price for the rest of our lives.
  
  All of the shit that’s current existing that you’ve listed isn’t working. Touch it.
  
  If Dems just move a little bit further to the right...
- The Overton Window isn't real. Political parties can create their own political realities by leading the electorate, rather than cowardly tailing the electorate like they're advertisers trying to sell a product.
  
  The Overton Window isn't real.
  Define real? There is certainly something in US politics that acts exactly like Overton Window.
  
  It gets the causal relationship between political leaders and the masses backwards.
  The Overton Window presupposes that politicians are limited by the electorate in what they can discuss and pursue; there's a range of acceptable politics which is created by public opinion.
  The reality is that public opinion is created by political leaders and politics is the tool they can use to change the range of acceptable opinion.
  By getting the causal relationship backwards there is a tendency to tail the masses rather than lead them. Instead of using politics to create new political realities, politicians behave as if they are trapped within the existing political reality by politics. They seem to think politics is something that happens to you, rather than a tool you use to do things.
  There's a range of acceptable opinion, sure, but it doesn't limit politics. Instead, politics creates the range of acceptable opinion.
  
  sounds extremely unlikely tho.

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