House Votes to Oust Kevin McCarthy as Speaker: Live Updates - The New York Times
House Votes to Oust Kevin McCarthy as Speaker: Live Updates - The New York Times
The vote orchestrated by a group of far-right lawmakers leaves the House without leadership. The speaker was unable to manage a bitter power struggle within the Republican Party.
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I'm finding this mess interesting: the MAGAs vote and debate like a third party, which kinda gives us a House with no majority party which is something we usually don't get to see in America. And we're getting the deadlocks that come from a chamber that isn't willing to form a coalition - or at least not a reliable one.
I just hope the next speaker candidate doesn't try for the same Republican-MAGA coalition. Although I'm prepared to be disappointed. Do you think there's any chance a Republican would offer to sideline the MAGAs to get support from Democrats?
Under this analysis the Democrats have a plurality. How does that tend to work out in governments with more than two parties?
Honestly, any Republican that tries to work with the Democrats at this point is going to get eaten alive. Even if it's a "moderate" one. They have completely gone off the deep end.
Exactly, the only way to govern in a multi party system is bipartisan. Most Republicans cannot put anything above the party line anymore.
Well, the far right faction of Republicans did already side with Dems to oust the speaker.
Bipartisanship is alive and well!
Which given the composition of the Senate and that whole executive branch thing this means they'll never get anything done.
@hallettj @chloyster Until we stop using politics as a tool to punish each other, get used to more chaos and pain.
This is objectively false. One party deals entirely in culture warfare with no idea how to govern. The other at least tries to interface with real world problems.
All this "we" shit smacks entirely too much of cis het white middle class privelage
All this “we” shit smacks entirely too much of cis het white middle class privelage
Nah, it's just the usual "both sides are bad" false equivalence bullshit.
Both sides are bad, but they are not equivalent, and we indeed shouldn't flatten the landscape.
In the interest of being constructive, what do you propose is the best way to voice this opinion off-handedly?
"Both sides are terrible, but at least one doesn't wanna kill me."
Or similar. Just damn the Dems with faint praise.
I would add that it depends on context and what specifically the democrats and republicans are being compared on.
There is a subgroup of each party that really is effectively the same in that they are non-ideological and only want to maintain the status quo, putting up the appearance of being at odds while actually working together to protect the corporate money hose.
It's this group that makes "both sides" so effective as rhetoric because, while Democrats do genuinely represent a direction with some glimmer of hope and they do have people who are genuinely concerned with improving government, it only takes a few instances of these "bipartisan" corporate middlemen to keep fueling the bothsides narrative.
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It smacks of a belief that to pull through this, the majority of us need to figure out how to get along.
@fuzzywolf23 No, you abuse the word objectively. You've been inside the movement, while I've been looking at it from the outside. There are wholesome values and concerns that have been corrupted by conflicts of interests. Also you would have insulted me less by calling me a nigger. At least I'd have gotten a chuckle, considering my background.
yes yes both sides of course, both sides
Yes yes, mustn't criticize the lesser evil, mustn't criticize.
@Zorque @chloyster @hallettj @downpunxx But is it? Why must we vote for evil in degrees every time? Why can't we say "let's look into these perceptions without having to agree with them wholesale?" Why are we killing and dying for ideas?
We're more than just pawns on this socio/economic/political chessboard. But who am I to demand that things be any different. What am I even contributing?
@downpunxx @chloyster @hallettj You're the one positing both sides. From my perspective you and your so called opponents work for the same master: HATRED. UTTER HATRED and ideological supremacy. WARFARE AGAINST SELF CREATED DEMONS FOR THE PURSUIT OF YOUR PEDESTALIZED IDEAS OF WHAT SHOULD BE. SOD OFF WITH YOUR BOTHSIDESISM DEFLECTION ON ANYONE TIRED OF THIS BS that facades as "caring for the people."
Caring for the people? Sounds like woke radical leftist Marxist propaganda (actual shit I hear on a daily basis).
The Republican party could stop trying to hurt people at any moment. Hell, I'm in a red state and our last Republican governor wasn't too bad. But it's all just hate now. And anyone who opposes that hate gets more hate from people like you.
@Omegamanthethird I don't hate people. I hate terrible ideas that encourage more harm to people. Like your statement get more hate from people like you. A stupid statement. It's not hatred; it's pushback. Have you considered demonstrating better ideas? Or pointing out terrible execution instead of character assassination as per the usual? Note that I'm not vilifying anyone, just pointing out moronic behavior we all like to default to due to LAZINESS. "you people" What a moronic thing to say. -_-
You're on Beehaw. These type of comments aren't acceptable here. Be(e) nice or take it elsewhere.
The Republican party can stop denying women the right to control their bodies, stop denying science, stop censoring history, and stop othering anyone but Christian Cis Het White people any time they feel like it.
But they won't, because that's their entire political identity. I ought to know; I was one of them for 20 some odd years.
@CylustheVirus No, that isn't their entire history. I'm sorry you've been convinced by corporate and blasphemous malcontents within the economical and religious underbelly of the many American cults within.
Their history matters exactly zero compared to what they are doing now. Knowing that Republicans used to be the less shitty party but then it switched is academic.
I just hope the next speaker candidate doesn’t try for the same Republican-MAGA coalition.
Any speaker who agrees to the absurd demand that 1 person can motion for removing the gavel is a fool and won't be speaker for long. We all knew that when McCarthy agreed to it that he was on borrowed time. Hell he lasted longer than I thought.