Is it wrong how I’m repeatedly relating Jews to discussions on Palestine?
Is it wrong how I’m repeatedly relating Jews to discussions on Palestine?
Some of you have likely noticed that I have a tendency to relate a Palestinian situation directly to Jews somehow, and I’ll be honest, I feel kind of weird doing it because proportionately speaking the Palestinian gentiles are suffering more than the Jewish citizens. I guess that it would be like repeatedly talking about Italians (e.g. Antonio Gramsci) while the Fascists were atrociously assaulting Africans.
Should I feel guilty? I don’t know… maybe I shouldn’t feel guilty. I mean, since a lot of Zionists like to focus on Jews when discussing Palestine and whatnot, maybe it’s important to have somebody doing that albeit from the opposite end of the spectrum, if that makes sense. I certainly don’t want to overshadow discussions on Palestinians, nor am I going to pretend that the suffering that they and Jews face is somehow equal, but given how many like to justify or overlook Zionist atrocities by centering the subject on Jews, maybe it’s important to have a kind of counterbalance to that.
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I feel comfortable saying it here although I haven't said it to anyone I know: The Israeli/Hebrew propaganda right now tries SO HARD to compare Hamas with Nazis, capitalizing on "Murdered JewsTM", that I really did not fall off the chair when seeing the "gas the Jews" video from Sydney.
If you can distinguish Zionists from Jews, that'd be cool, but I'll give you the Jew Pass for not doing so, because that connection is our fault exclusively.
Antisemitism is such a beautiful excuse for what's happening right now. They're not wrong, it exists and we truly are a persecuted people, but we're also war criminals. Israeli history textbooks are written in a way that emphasizes the former while completely (completely) sleeps on the latter. The narrative is clean and makes so much sense: persecuted Jews coming from the holocaust just wanted to return to their homes but they were persecuted there too 🥺 (which is wrong, early settlers weren't part of the holocaust, they came way beforehand. and the post-holocaust Jews only started migrating two years after the Nakba)
I'm so disappointed by my leftist friends here who seem so shocked of the Hamas attacks but cannot take right now the reality that these same pictures are circling from Gaza for years. They seem to think that not murdering babies with bare hands but rather with nukes makes us somehow morally superior. Why can't they understand the power imbalance? And why can't they remember that almost every other occupied people resisted in such gruesome, inhumane ways? Would my friends with Algerian ancestry talk that way about their grandparents, knowing some of their people also beheaded children and committed rape during the war? Is it really they're "human animals", or... maybe you just lose some of your humanity after that many years of occupation?
You know what, you don't even have to go as far as Algeria, the Nakba itself included raping of Palestinians, but it isn't widely known here :/
Feel free to ask anything btw, but please try to show some empathy, I'm well aware that I'm on the colonizing side and there's no need to remind me of that, and no I don't think leaving is the best I can do right now. Thanks I'm just a bit agitated rn
If you can distinguish Zionists from Jews, that’d be cool, but I’ll give you the Jew Pass for not doing so, because that connection is our fault exclusively.
Everyone here is distinguishing between Zionists and Jews. In all communist circles I'm a part of or that I've seen, everyone is distinguishing between Zionists and Jews. Even Hamas distinguishes between Zionists and Jews. Even other Jews distinguish themselves from Zionists, no matter how hard the Israeli regime tries to equate the two.
maybe you just lose some of your humanity after that many years of occupation?
There is no credible evidence that Hamas or the various other resistance groups (including PFLP) have "lost their humanity". This is all Zionist propaganda. 3/4ths of the settlers that died were IDF. I said "died" because some settlers were killed by their own side. There's videos around of them protecting women and children. The operations targeted military targets. Hamas has always been clear about this. In all the years they have existed (as well as the other resistance groups, and the PLO before them), there has never been one accusation of rape that stuck beyond atrocity propaganda. Not one accusation of "beheading" that stuck. The Palestinian resistance is not a drug cartel or ISIL. They don't behead people. They take targets prisoner and eliminate IOF officers.
Very strange things to say for a 1 day old account from another instance. Feels like you're trying to get us to say "yeah actually Hamas did some horrible shit too". They didn't. Stop implying they did.
Everyone here is distinguishing between Zionists and Jews
OP is talking about a tendency in the back of their head to link the two too much. I know communists are more aware of the distinction. I'm also well aware that Hamas, and for that matter all Palestinian resistance entities do. But outside of here the situation is different, and what I was trying to say it that nobody is immune to propaganda so there's no need to whip yourself if you mess up that distinction, because it's messed up everywhere else. Just gotta be more careful outside of here because Zionists will pick up on that, if they haven't already shoved it to your mouth.
there has never been one accusation of rape that stuck beyond atrocity propaganda
Absolutely my bad, sorry for spreading misinformation. I went and checked and the only evidence of sexual abuse is that video of the girl in the tender, Shani Louk, and the rest of the accusations are unverified. I found a Zionist confessing it, claiming she went and asked people that reported rape in the festival but they gave incoherent testimonies. My apologies regarding the rape thing again and the beheading as well. I needed to separate the wheat from the chaff better before writing it
However the targeting of civilians isn't just propaganda, some of my colleagues' relatives have been involved, one of them killed in that music festival and the other was kidnapped from Kibbutz Be'eri, also my neighbor's sister live in Nahal Oz and experienced the Hamas patrols walking around the town and breaking into homes killing/kidnapping people. And idk of anyone who's denying it, all pro-Palestinian outlets that I follow acknowledge it. For example +972 mag.
This is usual resistance and I'm not sure they're able to target solely military entities, because up until recently the Gazan border was patrolled heavily. Only a week ago many of its forces were moved to the West Bank in order to back up settler terror attacks for the Sukkot holiday.
Also there are the rockets targeting mostly-Jewish civilian areas. But again, it's not too dramatic, and not at all the first instance of armed trolling of civilians of an occupying entity.
Very strange things to say for a 1 day old account from another instance
That's fair. If it's of any help, this is my previous account from before I messed up my personal instance and had to wipe it
I went and checked and the only evidence of sexual abuse is that video of the girl in the tender, Shani Louk,
There is no evidence Shani Louk was sexually assaulted and anyone who says so is telling me they've never been to a rave without telling me they've never been. It's not out of the ordinary for women at raves to dress (or underdress) like this. It's possible she was changing clothes too when the firefight started.
In the video of the pickup truck nobody gives a fuck about her, except one guy that walks up and spits on her. And in that moment, considering what both the guard and the guy on the side have lived in Gaza, their shared life experience, yeah, I don't blame the guard on the pickup for not giving a fuck that someone would spit on a Zionist. They also brought her to a hospital in Gaza so the video likely shows them transporting her.
But no evidence of her being sexually assaulted, being underdressed is not an indicator.
In any case thank you for clarifying some stuff.
That's a reasonable explanation, cheers for taking the time and hearing me out
Huh I just opened Twitter and saw the first based tweet in Hebrew I've seen in the last few days claiming what I claimed in the 4th paragraph, and it gathered a considerable amount of likes. It's happening?