Suicide rates in the US are highest among elderly men, and most involve guns, CDC report says
Suicide rates in the US are highest among elderly men, and most involve guns, CDC report says
The suicide rate in the United States spiked in 2021, reversing two years of decline, and rates among older men were especially high, a new report says.
Senior men have higher rates of suicide than average, and firearms were involved in more than three-quarters of those deaths in 2021, according to a CDC report
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Good job in taking a serious issue and putting an unnecessary partisan spin on it, CNN. The issue of guns needs to be sidelined when talking about issues as serious as suicide.
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/suicide-rate-by-country
I don't really see the problem with elderly people who decide they want to check out. If we allowed medically assisted death, they could die with dignity.
Most of it is caused by depression, not terminal illness.
Still need the option to check out on your own terms.
what about improving their material condition so they can enjoy being old like other people in civilized countries???
These are not mutually exclusive.
That would be great. You realize TWO things are possible, right?
I imagine in many cases depression caused by their failing bodies and inability to lead a happy life due to it. That and their partner probably recently dying.
Doesn't change my opinion
If Republicans actually gave a shit about mental health maybe we wouldn't have so many gun suicides.
Or suicides generally.
So suicide is a republican problem hey.
Get a grip. Stop using every topic to gain political points, it’s disingenuous.
They're the ones who keep saying "it's not a gun problem it's a mental health problem" and then doing fuck all to improve mental health, so yeah.
In this instance they are actually correct
If you understand suicide even a little bit you would know men do not fuck about when it comes to suicide. There is little in between, no cry’s for help they are rare. guns are a tool to achieve the outcome and the statistics will never change.
So this click bait title and stupid anti-gun garbage does not help and makes the issue harder to resolve. Men will ALWAYS be the higher suicide rate no matter what. Social support systems and mental health stigma for men needs to change.
Up next water is wet.
But they still won't vote for comprehensive mental health coverage, and most of the men in the Republican party are poster boys for toxic masculinity.
So? You’re obsessing over a political farce unless you want to join the party?
I have a problem with blatant hypocrisy. Every gun nut in this thread saying "it's not guns it's mental health" and "men have a mental health crisis" and then go vote for assholes who do nothing to help either of them, and then say it's the Democrats who are the problem.
Sounds like you’re obsessed with guns yourself and a nut in your own right. The core problem here is the social stigma stopping men from seeking help. When men get to the point of suicide it’s going to happen. Banning guns doesn’t change this even in othe western countries still have this same problem.
This issue will take a generation or more to change. It won’t be resolved by banning guns or policy from parliament. It will take a change in social values and gender stereo types; the men don’t cry attitude. Which is engrained into core values. The best we can do is support those in our circles. Ask are you ok, help those we care for to find mental health services and we can also get better at helping those around us. Online support services like “are you ok” have resources for everyone.
If you want to be engaged politically you will need to have a life experience to have impact. from their write to your local political member with that experience and don’t be anonymous. That way you’re counted as a constituent and you can have this conversation with them. But they may just chose to ignore your story so don’t hang your identity on a political party. I would rather see someone passionate about men’s mental health being a force for healing instead of yelling at the wind.
Or maybe I got this wrong and you would make a great Democrat. Just don’t use hot topics to wedge issues it’s a disingenuous farce that will only get others to rally against your cause.
Your oversimplification was unnecessary the first time, stop copypasting your comments.
Said the asshole adding nothing to the topic to wedge anti-guns
Yeah but then they'd have even more mental gymnastics to do with bootstraps and all that
Suicide isnt reported in many places, because it is a social and religious taboo. For example the greek orthodox church still refuses to bury people who killed themselves(and 99% of greeks used to be christian orthodox, though atheism is becoming more popular nowadays).
Do they still refuse to bury unbaptized kids as well?
Only if they were allowed to bugger them first.
Guns always make any situation worse.
Suicide is a problem around the world, guns or not. Focus on the issue, not click-bait titles.
Yet it's a huge issue because of guns in the US.
No it is not, Japan has a higher rate than we do and they basically don't have firearms at all in their country.
No they don't.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate
The US is 31, Japan is 49.
55% of suicides use guns:
Uhh Japan's rate is 16.5 vs the USAs 14... they most definitely have a higher rate of suicide. I don't even know how you think we have a lower rate than they do.
The Wikipedia page has 2 tables the one that says 'latest' from the WHO has the US higher and the one that includes multiple sources and older data has Japan higher
14.5 in the US v 12.2 in Japan. So no.
Your own source from the wiki link you posted says you're wrong. Please provide a different source that says differently
No it doesn't. Provide your own if you disagree with the stats. You brought up Japan anyway, which is not relevant here but I humoured you anyway. The US is 31st in the world for suicides, most are done by guns. That's shocking and your attempt at distraction is laughable.
Are you blind or trolling? Cause the wiki link %100 shows Japan with a higher rate than the USA. I brought up Japan because you claimed our suicide rate was high because of guns...which isn't why we have a high rate. I'm also not the one trying to conflate guns as the reason for high suicide numbers...
There are some sourcing issues with statistics that are going on with this thread, me thinks. When I did a quick glance over the numbers, there are a ton of conditions like gender, age, year, population, etc., that need to be validated as well. Cultural differences regarding suicide need to be taken into account as well.
Regardless, y'all can argue about insignificant statistical differences all you want. A suicide is a suicide and the method of suicide is irrelevant.
A suicide is a suicide and the method of suicide is irrelevant.
Which is your gut feeling about how suicide works, not supported in any way by anyone involved in the study of suicide or suicide prevention.
The claim "they'd just do it another way" is bullshit.
I spot checked numbers around the world and the suicide rates are fairly consistent regardless of gun laws.
You are just making wild assumptions about how I read into anything, and, based on your name, you are just trolling. Just blabbing out "Nah! U wrong!" doesn't really prove a point, it is just provoking an argument.
Saying that is takes a suicide specialist to read is a weird claim. It's like saying you need to have a doctorate degree in language studies to write something down.
It has been repeatedly and conclusively demonstrated that means reduction (which the pro-gun community won't allow) and survivability (which guns don't have) play an extremely important role in suicide prevention.
Guns are absolutely part of the issue. Unfortunately, the pro-gun community prioritises sweeping gun deaths under the rug to maintain their profits and possessions over actually protecting anyone.
You like to talk a lot about studies and data without actually providing studies or data.
Just reading through your profile is just a mess of "it has been proven", "debunked", "repeatedly shown", etc., etc., or just the simple "no, your wrong".
Quite honestly, it's weird. While we all tend to use simple phrases during a discussion, I also like to at least provide a link or two or have a study within reach to back up my assumptions.
Your motivation is simply to piss people off, it seems.
It's not my responsibility to spoon feed you information and you shouldn't be trusting posts on social media just because they do.
There's no better way to feed people dogshit than studies and graphs stripped of context.
It's not about spoon feeding me information. It's about validating your own claims.
Also, links on social media are completely visible and transparent. You should know exactly what they link to and were information is hosted. A good study will generally have good sample sizes and plenty of peer reviews.
I have validated my own claims, to my own standard, under my own volition. That's why I hold this opinion in the first place.
You either haven't, or have chosen to dismiss the evidence because it's inconvenient to the opinions you want to hold.
Also, links on social media are completely visible and transparent. You should know exactly what they link to and were information is hosted. A good study will generally have good sample sizes and plenty of peer reviews.
It's not stupid to click the link, its stupid to let someone on the internet assure you they've provided all the context you need.
The British medical journal Lancet published a study back in 1998. It's had hundreds of peer reviews. Does that mean that if somebody links it on social media, you'll just accept it?
Because that paper was the origin of "vaccines cause autism". It has been linked millions of times by a group of people who are spreading misinformation that kills people.
Want me to send you a link next time I see one? You can strut into their midst with links to the hundreds of studies that disprove it.
I'm sure it won't be a waste of your time and I'm sure every counter argument will be made in only the best of faith.
This thread has just gotten boring now.
Then you're enjoying yet another luxury that you strip from victims of gun violence.
Suicide by gun is a huge problem, especially since many use guns to murder a bunch of innocent people first before killing themselves. The issue is gun availability, most people can get a gun quickly because of piss poor gun laws.
Many do not, the fuck is wrong with you. The majority of gun deaths are suicides and it's a single person taking their life.
America has "many" mass shootings because the baseline for other countries is "once a decade", not because the number has many digits.
You're either fully aware of this and being manipulative or you reacted emotionally without thinking -- not a good trait for a gun owner, but one shared by all the ones who committed suicide or killed their partners.