2d ago

Info on quitting Github (owned by Microsoft)

https://sfconservancy.org/GiveUpGitHub/

https://wowana.me/blog/why-i-no-longer-use-github.xht

https://sanctum.geek.nz/why-not-github.html

https://mikegerwitz.com/about/githubbub

https://trufflesecurity.com/blog/anyone-can-access-deleted-and-private-repo-data-github

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I've left github for personal projects (still need it for work for now), and moved to Gitlab. Gitlab is honestly not any better when thinking about european alternatives (it's also US), and it is not completely open-source either, but the nice european alternative Codeberg is only for open-source projects and doesn't really tolerate or give an option to pay to host non-opensource projects.
I would pay for codeberg if they allowed non-opensource repositories, but they have stated that codeberg does not really allow non-opensource projects. I'm a FOSS enthusiast and donate my time and money to FOSS, but not everything I make is FOSS.
I know, I could selfhost Forgejo, but it would truly be great to have, say, EU funded open code repository like Github/GitLab with possibility to pay to host non-opensource projects or something.
- Aren't there any managed Forgejo instances?
  
  There are, but so far the ones I've found are not reliable enough for bigger scale stuff. That's kinda why I mentioned "being ready to pay". If there would be - let's say - non-profit foundation hosting something like codeberg with free-tier for FOSS and paid for non-FOSS in Europe I'd switch to it.
  I'm really looking forward to Forgejo implementing federation and am hoping to selfhost someday, but for now codeberg is not really allowing my full repository to be hosted :(
  
  Thanks for noting this, our company has been dogfeeding and running a Forgejo instance for over a year by now (we got over 100 customers that we are running on this platform) and are currently creating a self-service hosting solution for a lot of different projects/systems, but other than allowing others to get access to use our self-service we never considered hosting Forgejo for others as Codeberg existed and we weren’t aware of the FOSS only rule.
  Feel free to reach out if it’s of interest, I haven’t discussed this in the team but there’s nothing in the way to set up a dedicated Forgejo instance for a company based on our current setup (on our servers, but we can also work with on-premises/other clusters) or letting others access our instance. Since we’re based in Norway everything is hosted on multiple data centers in Finland using Kubernetes with a hybrid architecture of “cloud” and dedicated servers.
  Since we use it ourselves we’ve made sure we got as close to 100% uptime/high performance as we can with Forgejo. We also got ACT runners and for login with got a tenant/auth/OIDC system with auditing (for those that need that).
  We’ve been working for 5+ years to become independent of external companies, which is why we’re a bit ahead of schedule.
  
  This is super interesting and I would like to hear more! Might be just what many of us are looking for. And there definitely is a market niche you've got here.
  When I first heard of codeberg I was going to transfer all of my repos without hesitation but went looking for terms of use and other information about codeberg - that's how I bumped into this information and it made me a bit sad.
  If you'd be open to share your company name / weblink please do! Might even make a post about it in this community if you feel like that is something you can do (probably should disclose that you work there since people are eager to pull the report-trigger on self-promotion unless you mention it).
  If not yet publicly, I can send you a message :) (I see you are possibly new on lemmy, so know that lemmy messages are not e2e encrypted and that's why many of us add our matrix handles on our profiles).
  
  Yeah, I know at least a few others that have uploaded their closed source code to Codeberg not knowing about the content disclaimer. Not sure how enforceable it is, but it's definitively not something most people would ignore if they knew about it, especially in the context of a company.
  Also we don't have any issue with sharing the name of our company ("Offcenit AS"), just be aware that we have been working on the relevant information from back to front and it's not fully available yet, we currently have https://alkemi.no/ for our cluster setup and documentation, but we are still working on completely redesigning our company website and make it available in English. You can read a bit about the principles we try to work by on alkemi.no but just as a bit of background about the company itself; we started back in 2017, everyone in the company own equal shares and ownership in the company. We try to stay as a smaller entity with as little overhead as possible - everyone has all the skills required to step in to do any tasks of someone else in the company, that includes anything from the business side of things to developing and hosting, though we all specialise a bit differently and have our own niches. We also try to be as open as possible with how we work, and we do this through dogfeeding, not just the in things we develop but also by sharing documents that would usually be kept more internal to a company. Other than that a lot of our marketing is through word of mouth, but we've been working on becoming a bit more public recently.
  Yeah I've mostly been lurking up until now, added the matrix handle ;) I'm the one that's been responsible for most of the setup surrounding hosting Forgejo, so you can just PM me directly, looking forward to discussing it further! :D
  
  There are managed Gitlab instances:
  https://www.gitlabhost.com/ https://www.stackhero.io/en/services/GitLab/benefits
  
  Gitlab is a publicly traded US company, GTLB on the Nasdaq.

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