Do literally ALL Ukrainian soldiers wear fascist imagery?
Do literally ALL Ukrainian soldiers wear fascist imagery?
I’m not on Twitter, so I get my news elsewhere, but most of the actual pictures I see are from here. So is there some kind of bias where only the fascist imagery gets posted here in the the dunk tank? Or do the libs scrolling through Ukrainian posts on Twitter literally see and ignore fascist imagery on every single post? Like, if they see 1000 Ukrainian soldiers, will they see 1000 fascist symbols?
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There are a few things going on.
- media promotes controversial material.
- there are a few bad apples like everywhere.
- some of those patches are close but not actually nazi I have seen the iron eagle carrying the trident of Ukraine a lot.
I have asked a few people I know who are there about some of the questionable patches and the general response can be summed up as “we are killing each other as fast as possible and your worried about a patch?”
a few bad apples
Finish the turn of phrase
Finish the fucking turn of phrase, I beg of you, this is not the defense you think it is
seriously wtf how do they not get that
How do people still use that phrase unironically?
We managed to infect them with ebil tankie propaganda but they didn’t get the message
If you don’t already have the capstone on your bad apples dunk:
A few bad apples don’t ruin the whole bunch, they ruin the barrel.
Apples release a gas as they ripen and eventually spoil that makes all the other apples ripen and spoil faster. So obviously a bad apple will make all the apples you put in a barrel with it spoil too.
But the barrel is made of porous wood, so the apple spoiling gas gets in the barrel and even after you empty the old spoiled apples, hose it out and fill it back up it’s gonna spoil the good apples you put in there.
A few bad apple don’t just spoil the ones they’re packed in with, they spoil the whole barrel.
A few bad apples don’t just ruin the police department, they ruin the institution!
A few Nazis don’t ruin the soldiers they’re stationed with, they ruin the army!
“Don’t let a few bad apples spoil the whole bunch” means get the fuck rid of those bad apples asap.
E: the apple spoiling gas is called ethylene.
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Find me a nationalist movement that doesn’t have wannabe nazis.
I don’t see people loosing their shit over the taliban running Afghanistan like they do about possible nazis somewhere.
The vietnamese did not embrace nazis when they fought off the american invaders. The hatians did not become nazis when they cast off the yoke of slavery. Cuba did not become nazis by overthrowing the dictator batista. You are a dip shit.
Cuba, Vietnam, Palestine off the top of my head.
Vietnam
lmao buddy come on now
If everyone in the West was sending weapons to the Taliban then that might have been an interesting comparison. But no one does that (anymore).
On top of other ones: the PRC and DPRK
I have seen the iron eagle carrying the trident of Ukraine
Ya see, to me, that doesn't exactly vouch for the liberal nature of Ukrainian Nationalism so much as the opposite.
media promotes controversial material
the media has been deepthroating Western and particularly Ukrainian boots ever since the war began. you would need the strongest solvent on the planet to remove the superglue that binds the average journalist's tongue to the leather of a Ukrainian jackboot. if even they can't convincingly depict Ukrainian soldiers as not being coated head-to-toe in imagery that celebrates the fucking Holocaust, then there's a really big problem in Ukraine.
“we are killing each other as fast as possible and your worried about a patch?”
yes, actually, I am worried that many, many Ukrainian soldiers knowingly use fascist imagery in a war that began in 2014 partially over the rights of the Donbass people. that is, in fact, a rather pertinent issue here
Bruv they can't keep fash symbols out of pictures of Zelensky with soldiers.
Yeah, we're worried about a patch, because when this conflict ends one way or another Ukraine is going to be full of angry nazis with military experience and vast amounts of weaponry and that's going to be very bad for everyone.
Please produce one of those pictures.
How do you think it will be bad? They are having a hard time fighting the Russians who are using barely trained conscripts and equipment pulled from museums.
The most advanced things on that battle field are consumer drones and weapon systems that are parts and consumables reliant from western countries.
these are easy as fuck to find. You have to be trying to avoid them if you're this deep and still incredulous.
Did you also miss the time that NATO tweeted out a photo of a ukrainian soldier wearing a black sun for international women's day?
the Russians who are using barely trained conscripts and equipment pulled from museums.
Source?
The most advanced things on that battle field are consumer drones and weapon systems that are parts and consumables reliant from western countries.
Please point me to your dealer. I'll buy their entire stock.
Please produce one of those pictures.
https://leftypol.org/edu/src/1662026001627.webm
Not all of these included Zelensky (some do!) but there's also a bonus Zelensky video clip in here too you should probably see. Either way, a person has got to be fucking willfully blind not to see that Nazism is endemic to Ukrainian military and leadership (and culture now too, because of the former two).
I’m not saying it doesn’t exist. I’m saying it’s probably over reported on. It doesn’t help that one of Russias main premises for invading is de nazification. Every report and image that can’t be traced back to it original source and tied to the Ukrainian military should be viewed skeptically as possible propaganda.
The amount of brigading and vitriol seen in this community is probably pro Russian agents.
The amount of brigading and vitriol seen in this community is probably pro Russian agents.
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Brigading is when you post on an active discussion in your home instance and the more posting you do the more brigading it is.
Take your ball and go home. You have no power here.
you are literally commenting on a hexbear post, brigadier twokie
I’m not saying it doesn’t exist. I’m saying it’s probably over reported on.
No, it's criminally underreported in the West because it's harmful to the narrative that they have to maintain to justify how they insist on perpetuating the war at all costs.
It doesn’t help that one of Russias main premises for invading is de nazification.
It only "doesn't help" if your default assumption is that Russia is always lying about everything. If you recognize that Ukraine has a deep and systemic problem with literal Nazis (which it does), then it becomes obvious that Russia is simply using this fact, justifiably so, as a reason for its role in the conflict.
every report and image that can’t be traced back to it original source and tied to the Ukrainian military should be viewed skeptically as possible propaganda.
Go ahead and do that then, and maybe you'll end up at the correct conclusion that the Ukrainian military is fundamentally a Nazi military. Also try this, look up even western news articles from before 2022 and note how they aren't shy about pointing this fact out. Look at the image @KittyBobo@hexbear.net posted here if you don't want to take the time to confirm this yourself.
The amount of brigading and vitriol seen in this community is probably pro Russian agents.
There is no "brigading," it's just that this is one of the few spaces where voices that are contrary to the dominant western narrative aren't silenced or immediately overwhelmed. And no, lol, it's not bots or "agents," you just aren't used to seeing those contrary opinions I just mentioned, and it's easier to blame it on bots/agents than it is to actually engage with well-reasoned arguments you aren't usually exposed to that challenges your own stance. It's not easy having to recognize you've been lied to and your stance is based on faulty premises, but it is very easy to say "Bots! Agents! Disinformazia!"
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No, it's criminally underreported in the West because it's harmful to the narrative that they have to maintain to justify how they insist on perpetuating the war at all costs.
This is the one thing that gives me a small sliver of hope for those of us in the west. Popular opinion is still such that "nazi = villain" even in NATO member states, as the recent Canadian parliamentary debacle showed. We're not so far gone that the modern fascists and their enablers are able to openly talk about their admiration for the nazis in the mainstream media.
BOT
does a little group called the Mujahideen sound familiar to you
Yeah typically the media would go out of their way to not portray the nation we're pumping full of weapons as absolutely covered in nazis, but apparently they're so common we get to see the black sun on MSNBC while cheering on the freedom boys
The media absolutely covers that shit up too. It's just so prevalent that it still slips out frequently.
some of those patches are close but not actually nazi
Uh-huh. How are you determining that a patch that looks very similar to a Nazi one actually isn't? Is it just ”well ackshually, eagles were used by Germany before WWII and the swastika is an ancient Buddhist symbol”?
we are killing each other as fast as possible and your worried about a patch
If there are Nazis involved, I personally would like to see them die as fast as possible.
Read my reply many of those patches share an eagle as symbolism but last I checked the Ukrainian trident wasn’t nazi.
If eagles are nazi symbols then I must have gotten some of those bad textbooks in school.
who do you think you're fooling? we all know where this symbol comes from. we all know what it means
It's hilarious how they just swap the swastika for a trident and liberals say "this isn't Nazi!"
See my point about media propagating controversial images. No one retweets images of soldiers standing around unless there is something to be outraged about. Social media is just media where the editor is the company and masses feeding off each other to display more ads.
Please be mindful of downplaying the prevalence of Nazis, especially coming from a German instance.
Imagine deliberately playing naïve to run defence for Nazis because it suits US geopolitical interests. Next you'll tell us about how these soldiers are just wearing a Buddhist peace symbol.
it isn't "just an eagle", it's literally a reichsadler
To be fair, the only other group I know who uses an eagle as a symbol is the US. Wait, never mind, they’re Nazis too, sorry…
but last I checked the Ukrainian trident wasn’t nazi
The symbol was famously used by the guys who were literally out just massacring Jews and Poles.
So, yes, the Ukrainian nationalist trident is a fascist symbol.
Different symbol look at the coat of arms for the Ukrainian trident.
OK what do these definitely non Nazi but totally exactly Nazi symbols symbolize?
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Someone cares about the patch enough to manufacture them, distribute them, and wear them
Sure thing, twokie