2w ago

The Republicans Should've Faced Way More Criticism During The 2024 Presidential Campaign

641 comments

6 months in and Liberals are still trying to blame their election loss on the left.
- Ja, this meme is tripe. Tankies are the Lemmy bogeyman, used the same as 'woke' by the right.
- What are you talking about? It only mentions democrats, republicans, and tankies.
  
  Tankie is what centrist liberals call everyone to the left of them
  
  No, that's what I call people who claim to be left but then make excuses for Russia, China.
  
  What do you call people who claim to be to the left but make excuses for Canada and the genocidal Democratic Party?
  
  I've never been called a tankie, and neither have any of my friends or girlfriends. And we're all communists.
  Maybe you're being called a tankie because you're a radical centrist.
  
  .world definitely has a problem distinguishing between Tankies and leftists. I've literally had a guy argue with me that tankie and Bernie Bro were interchangeable because, "definitions change."
  
  Well I love Bernie. When he told me he wasn't running in 2024, and he wanted me to support Kamala, I listened. And I've never been called a tankie. Maybe it comes down to individual differences.
  
  I also voted for Kamala and I also haven't been called a tankie (at least yet). But I've seen multiple liberals on .world call leftists tankies, often without understanding the meaning. At first, I found it very strange, since I'd only ever seen that term used in leftist circles. It made more sense when I realized they picked it up from .ml, which, to be fair, had a lot of fucking tankies.
  
  Ohhh, so it's the tankies who are responsible for this. That makes sense.
  That reminds me of how Israel tells everyone that killing people is part of the Jewish identity, and then complains when people believe them
  
  You're a tankie, you voted for someone who sent tanks to a genocidal regime, that makes you a tankie.
  Now you can't say you've never been called a tankie.
  
  I've only ever been called a tankie by a tankie who was making some kind of point
  
  But you have been called a tankie
  Which is pretty suspicious honestly
  
  I was once called a tankie just for critiquing the fact that Kamala didn't clearify her positions on her campaign website, even though I voted for her anyway the fact that I didn't show unquestioning loyalty to the party makes me a tankie... Wait a minute... Demanding unquestioning loyalty to the party... Where have I heard that before?
  
  Yeah but caring about that apparently makes me a "single issue voter" and a "tankie", liberals are absolute jokes
  
  Don't you, like, run a hate community targeted at her?
  
  No, I run a left wing community thats explicitly left wing in nature. Liberalism is right wing, so naturally we arent supportive. Furthermore my community tends to lean more libertarian left (workers democracy) and anarchist so we arent a big fan of liberal electoralism.
  
  Wow, I wish I didn't care who the president was. I wanna stop fearing for my girlfriends' lives.
  
  Yeah, fearing for the life of loved ones should only be for Palestinians, right?
  
  I want as few Palestinians to fear for their lives as possible. I wish Trump hadn't won the election and promised to turn Gaza into a US colony. Now it's only going to get worse. I wish we were fighting Kamala to make things better. She's easier to pressure. Now we're stuck fighting Trump to make things worse slower.
  
  I wish we were fighting Kamala to make things better. She’s easier to pressure.
  But every time us pro-palestinian people tried to put pressure on Kamala we were called tankies. Are you a tankie?
  
  I wish Trump hadn’t won the election and promised to turn Gaza into a US colony. Now it’s only going to get worse.
  See? Here's the problem, the Democrats were doing the exact same thing to Gaza, but you were a denialist when it was your team doing it. At least under Trump you actually acknowledge what's happening (even if you still deny what was happening under the Democrats)
  I wish we were fighting Kamala to make things better. She’s easier to pressure.
  Receipts? Because over a year of pressure didn't get the Democrats to budge even one inch, and for the entirety of that time the "vote blue no matter who" crowd actively opposed that pressure while also engaging in denialism to defend the Democrats.
  
  Yup, at least with the democrats you can protest without being kidnapped into a van on the way to El Salvador.
  
  electoralism.
  Refusing to vote is how you end up with the worst arrogant politicians who dont care at all about their constituents.
  
  Once again I still voted for Kamala, however that doesn't disqualify me from critiquing underlying electoral systems. Fundamentally I belive Liberal Democracy is little more than democracy for the capitalist class.
  
  I’ve never been called a tankie
  we’re all communists.
  I've got bad news for you...
  
  Isnt radical centrist an oxymoron?
  
  ~~oxy~~moron
  
  Yeah, supporting workers and dictators at the same time is pretty oxymoronic. But it's perfectly balanced, as all things should be
  
  That’s because nobody is called “tankie” in real life. No one has called me a “tankie” either. The term’s contemporary usage is a creature of social media. It’s a dumb, cringey online meme.
  
  Hmmmmmmmmmm... nah. It's from the 1950s. They didn't have 9gag back then
  
  Again:
  The term’s contemporary usage
  But also: JFK Files Reveal CIA Role in the 1956 Hungarian Uprising | The tankies were right
  The Hungarian Freedom Fighters were [Central Intelligence] Agency sponsored.
  
  So you're a tankie in real life?
  
  Have you stopped beating your wife?
  Ask a dozen people what “tankie” means and you’ll get a dozen conflicting answers. It’s a floating signifier for dismissing those to one’s political left. It’s a thought-terminating cliché rhetorical device.
  
  And none of those dozen answers will correspond to how any of them actually use the word
  
  Tankies dont say slava ukranini!
  
  Of course not: it’s a slogan that came directly from the fascist Banderites. Why would communists, who have shed more blood fighting fascists than anyone, adopt a fascist slogan?
  Jacobin, 2015: Who Was Stepan Bandera?
  
  What's a ukranini? Like a Ukrainian panini?
  Also I want peace and prosperity for all people of Ukraine and I've been called a tankie lots of times
  
  Russia needs to completely pull out of Ukraine then you will have peace.
  
  Slobber uranium
  
  I don't think you know what communism actually is.
  
  You too, hun.
- Ninety million people didn’t vote. Three million voted third party.
  What was the difference Trump won by again?
  
  The arrogance of assuming that anyone who didn't vote or who voted third party, just automatically owe your party their vote.
  The entrenched two-party system has done more to cripple democracy in America than any other factor, and yet it's so pervasive that y'all whip each other into line trying to shame anyone who tries to break free of it.
  
  I guess we’re all better off now having learned a valuable lesson, aren’t we? So… How exactly would you like your ‘thank you’ presented?
  Arrogance indeed.
  
  The only way the dems could have won in 2024 is if they did what is popular with their base. This applies to literally every election. You should be furious that they lost to Donald fucking Trump twice because they thought they could win while enacting policies they knew would decrease turnout.
  They have their own polling, they know there's not a bunch of voters who just hate tiktok and will vote for tax credits to buy healthcare for first-generation college grads who run a small business in an under-served community for 3 years, but won't vote for free healthcare.
  No messaging could have made genocide in gaza popular, it's not the people telling the democrats to stop giving Israel fucking bombs who made facilitating genocide unpopular. The only people who could have changed whether Palestine hurt the dems or helped them were the dems. They decided unlimited support for a genocidal settler colonial state was more important than winning.
  
  Well it’s a good thing we dodged that bullet, isn’t it?
  And yeah, I’m furious that ninety three million people were told what was going to happen and chose to not vote anyway.
  
  Unpopular policy decreases turnout. That's just how democracy works. The narrative of blaming the voters just serves to distract from the only people who could have changed the outcome of the last election and will be the only ones who can change the outcome of future lessons.
  If Trump runs for a third term, and the democrats run on building the wall and defunding the government, the same fucking thing will happen.
  
  Arrogance is believing that for some reason despite everything that happened in the last year of her term in office that magically this person who had no concrete message or goals except the continuation of the genocide of people living in tents would be the savior somehow.
  She's just another corporate politician who takes orders from donors and she's a COP at that - so keep constructing this fantastical image in your head that you think your choice was the answer. She wasn't and will never be. That's why we are stuck with Trump.
  DUH.
  
  Again, you keep talking about how bad Kamala is, and side-step the disaster that we currently live under.
  But whatever helps you cope, right?
  
  Why are liberals so incredibly dense?
  Her platform and being the worst candidate ever is the reason we got Trump, but for some reason you ignore this and blame voters.
  The democrats played everyone and where are these staunch defenders of democracy now?
  Patting themselves on the back for giving meaningless speeches while Trump disassembles democracy.
  And these are the people you thought would save you?
  I see on another one of your posts that you are angry 90 million people didn't vote. What makes you think they would have voted for the fraud Kamala even though they could have and didn't? What did she offer them? The answer is .... NOTHING.
  And now that Trump is torching the constitution where is Coconut Kamala?
  Why giving speeches at Australian real estate events. Nothing says "I'm defending America" like giving Australian real estate speeches.
  Your finger pointing is very devisive and exactly what I would expect out of a pampered liberal. Open your eyes and see the truth.
  
  So, this conversation got me thinking. I’ve been wanting to get in better shape lately, but I’m wondering if doing things like… exercising, is really the right way to go about it.
  It seems the best advice from all the people that clearly know how everything works, is to do absolutely nothing at all. Because historically, we all know that great change comes from inaction, right? So why not try it? Let’s see if sitting on my ass and watching other people exercise will help me become more fit.
  Wish me luck!
  
  Nice - you just perfectly described the value of a vote for Kamala.
  It is the equivalent of sitting on your ass and hoping things get better because that's exactlty what the democrats are doing right now.
  
  Enjoying things so far? Think Kamala would have ended DEI? Put Elon in charge? The Insurrection Act. Think Kamala had that in mind? Or what about the tariffs? I don’t recall Kamala saying anything about that. Or Canada becoming the 51st state. All the shit trump has done….
  Think Kamala would have done this shit?
  See? You spend so much time trying to justify the intention, while hoping you’ll be spared the responsibly you share in the result.
  Take a look around.
  If you seriously can say that things are the same as what Kamala would have done, then I suppose I can see what made you stay home and let others deal with it-
  And that would be your entitlement.
  You clearly have no dog in this race. And if that’s the case, then I suppose you’re exempt from any and all responsibility that a person with a properly functioning moral compass should feel.
  
  I think Kamala and Trump both were going to continue sending billions of our tax dollars to a terrorist state in the Middle East so that they could continue obliterating families living in tents with 1000lb bombs.
  I know that whatever is being allowed to happen there will come here eventually whether you want to believe it or not. Gaza is a test ground.
  If you can't see how that state owns the politicians that are supposed to be representing you, I don't know what to tell you at this point. There is are really big internal problems and crisises that those billions of dollars could be spent at home on. Instead they both greenlight evil.
  I can honestly say I voted against genocide and against foreign influence over our politicians. Those who voted for Trump and Kamala cannot.
  Since the majority of voters felt that genocide was not a red line, maybe now is the time to evaluate what morals and values actually matter for us to thrive as a society and start living them. For example: I will never vote for a politician with ties to the genociders ever again. That is the only way out for all of us.
  Imagine if most people chose the anti-genocide candidates. That would have been really cool and not this disappointing disaster that feels righteously karmic in so many ways.

641 comments