Israel-Palestine escalation live: Strikes hit Gaza after Hamas offensive
Israel-Palestine escalation live: Strikes hit Gaza after Hamas offensive
Palestinian fighters enter Israel and thousands of rockets are fired as Hamas launches large-scale operation.
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"We know too well that our freedom is incomplete without the freedom of the Palestinians ... Choose peace rather than confrontation. Except in cases where we cannot get, where we cannot proceed, or we cannot move forward. Then if the only alternative is violence, we will use violence."
- Nelson Mandela
I guess the time has come where Palestinians cannot move forward, and have to use violence.
The Palestinians have been using violence for over half a century and achieved nothing. Regardless of the morality of armed struggle and the desire for revenge, it is in fact counter productive. Apartheid in South Africa didn't end because of military action, it ended because the ANC was able to mobilise world opinion against the white regime. It ended because of sanctions and isolation and making the nation a pariah. If the Palestinians had chosen that course of action early on I think we'd be in a much better place today. All these attacks do is harden world opinion against them.
"World opinion"
I think you mean 'the opinion of the US and it's allies.' The world is much bigger than that, and opinions about Israel in the rest of the world are not great.
Israel is funded and propped up by USA. How are you expected to turn USA and Anglos against USA, when they support Ukraine and Israel, both run by Zionist heads? (Zelensky is a Zionist.)
You could start by asking the ANC. They were able to do exactly that by mobilizing public opinion in the US and othe countries. They were phenomenaly successful to the point where no politician in the US or UK could continue to support the apartheid regime.
As it is now, after this attack, support for a Palestinian homeland will hit rock bottom. The only person who benefits from this is Netanyahu. Think about that for a minute.
Blacks allow West to portray itself as an inclusive culture, because of centuries of European exploitation being historically known to the world. Israel allows USA to fund and commit cyber terrorism globally, bully Iran for the "oil" and "influence" Middle East affairs. Complete Palestine colonisation is the goal of Israel and its military funder USA.
Netanyahu could be assassinated tomorrow and replaced by another US puppet.
Israel has labeled BDS, the actual peaceful option, terrorism.
Justifying the horrors that the Palestinians are performing at these very moments is a war crime in itself. You clearly speak like you have clue of what's going on in Israel, and I hope no sane person ever reads your nonsense and tries to make any sense of it. Good day (for you maybe)
"It is of no use for Israel to talk of peace, if they still hold onto the Arab territories of which they conquered."
Want to guess who said this one?
The Palestinians have been pushed to breaking point by decades of apartheid. Obviously terrorist acts and killing civilans by any side is unjustifiable, but general Palestinian resistance against Israeli military targets and soldiers is self defence at this point. And let's be very clear, you can't steal Palestinian people's homes, kick Palestinians out of their land, and joyfully watch Palestinians being bombed in an open air concentration camp , which Israeli settlers have been doing to Palestinians, and not expect a response in turn. You reap what you sow.
Palestinians: got their land stolen by Israel
Israel: Surprised stealing people's land makes them want to shoot you
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Yes, the land is stolen. Yes, resistance is legitimate. No, murder of civilians is not acceptable, no matter which side does it.
Would you really hold the same view if native Americans massacred American civilians in the US today?
Personally my stance isn't so much that I think its "acceptable" as I think its "an unfortunate reality". Revolutions are not clean, ever. Individuals involved in it do bad things. Holding the oppressed to the standards of having a completly clean revolution (impossible) is just counterproductive. I support the revolutionaries even if not every action they take is morally right. I dont withdraw my support for something that is good on the whole because of individual acts that are not good.
Its also worth noting that Israel chose to put civilians on the front lines of a settler project, and that this is kind of the obvious consequence of that. It can easily be argued, I think correctly, that they wanted this so they could look like the victims. Despite them being the oppressors.
if u.s. "civilians" were intentionally aiding in the genocide their government is carrying out? yes, killing them would be 100% justified, no matter who did it or when.
Settlers are not civilians. They are non combat support for the illegal occupation.
Yeah you're right your right I'm just being a shitter sorry
However, your last question is a little interesting. I would support it If native Americans were slaughtering Americans while they were still stealing their land. Israel is contemporary colonialism, and because they can get away with it and still be the victims, that is white supremacy
The Palestinians are a sovereign people being genocided by an occupying armed force. What are they supposed to do? Just wait there patiently to be exterminated one by one?
This could easily be stopped by Israel just getting the fuck out of Palestinian land.
Yeah totally, words are a war crime. Get a grip you're hysterical.
Right?!? Literally the most reactionary take possible, acting like Isreal hasn't done anything wrong to the Palestinians, or had gaza under crippling sanctions for decades....
I'm pretty sure you would be hysterical if, for example, your family was held hostage, and that I wouldn't wish on my worst enemies (also on any Palestinian or Israeli).
Also, too bad this place isn't moderated, getting hard to choose between it and Reddit
It's moderated, your shit was removed lmao.
Nothing I wrote was removed. Edit: let's do this instead - mod, please remove this post. anyone who sees this post - know that this place isn't moderated. ggwp
Cope
Do you not understand how federation works?
there's a modlog at the bottom of every page if you want even more evidence of how hilariously wrong you are
that's where I had to go to see you calling internet comments "war crimes" since your post had been removed
also - lol, lmao
Lol it was removed by a hexbear mod on the hexbear instance. Only you and your fragile commie buddies were spared from the horrors of his dumb take
Also, too bad this place isn't moderated, getting hard to choose between it and Reddit
Then go back to reddit then and spare us your concern troll moaning in support of a genocidal ethnostate. Any violence done by Palestinians is self defense at this point.
Also, this place is heavily moderated, it's just not an echo chamber where you're going to see nothing but opinions identical to your own (dogshit) worldview. Yes, your first comment was removed, as well it should have been.
Remember when Israel just mowed down peaceful protestors after Trump moved the American embassy to Jerusalem? That embassy hasn't been moved back under a Democratic president, either.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018–2019_Gaza_border_protests
This is but one example, under a climate of constant incursion into Gaza and stealing ever more land. That's what Israeli settlements are, after all. They claim land from Palestinians, force them out of their homes, then move in Israeli families.
Anything Hamas does is self-defense.
