What are your sources for debunking Genocide in Xinjiang?
What are your sources for debunking Genocide in Xinjiang?
If possible, do we have a common list of sources for other topics as well?
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i simply ask libs for proof. burden of proof is theirs.
theres never any. they usually downgrade their accusations to "cultural genocide", thats not even the same ballpark.
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I got linked some, it's always Adrian Zenz
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I ask if the source is Adrian Zenz or ASPI.
They laugh and say it's a good source.
Look inside.
It's Zenz
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And if you're in Europe or the US, ask them why they're so keen on the genocide their government conveniently doesn't have anything to do with, rather than what Israel is doing.
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im not from either of those places and like, don't you see how clearly this is whataboutism.
normally i dont really like the 'logical fallacy' point in political diacussions or whatever, but damn. all governments around the world are awful and will fuck the working class as soon as it gives a powerful individual more power.
if the UN has clearly stated that in many interviews people have said they were forcibly drugged, woman assulted and people interred without access to communications with their family...
idk, ig i am wasting my time, obviously the most scrutinised multi-national institution is bias. china definately doesnt have greater representation than most other countries.
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No not all the governments were built off colonization and chattel slavery. No other country has genocided numerous nations in the past 80 years or given weapons for others to do the same.
Did the UN ever figure out who blew up that pipeline?
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i agree not all, but the Han people have been using these techniques for thousands of years, very similar to Europeans. no culture or people have clean hands, that is just the human experience.
also not sure which pipeline, please let me know! more things to explore :)
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Han people assimilating nanyue in 200 BC isnt comparable to euro’s oppression and enslaved of most of the globe.
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Yes my mother yelled at me once when I forgot to wash the dishes and Isntreal has been genociding Palestinians for more than 18 months. Not every one has clean hands.
Nordic pipeline.
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idk what the first paragraph is trying to say sorry.
but yes dang i havent thought abt this attack since it was in the news, gonna be fun to dig through!
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It's saying this
Han people assimilating nanyue in 200 BC isnt comparable to euro’s oppression and enslaved of most of the globe.
You don't have to look to much into it. The US blew it up.
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i agree not all, but the Han people have been using these techniques for thousands of years
No they haven't and China is an actual multiethnic country, not an ethnic supremacist country premised on settler colonial genocide like yours.
You wish Han were like white people because it means white supremacy has less guilt. This is itself a white supremacist way of thinking and you're told to believe in it to remain consenting to anti-China actions that are tajen by your vassal state.
no culture or people have clean hands, that is just the human experience.
Whataboutism, eh? Only yours is actually meant to ahistorically flatten the crimes of Eurocentric capitalism and falsely equate it to unspecified "Han" crimes. But I bet you couldn't even give a definition of "Han" without looking it up.
- whataboutism
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Noo, everyone does genocide, I swear! The Hans! It's just human nature bro!
What if I told you it's actually not normal and you are currently reckoning with the cognitive dissonance of being confronted with the fact that you're on Team Genocide?
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It'd be whataboutism if I was saying the existence of one makes the other ok. It doesn't.
The point I'm trying to make is that wherever you live, the polices you have any strategic chance of influencing will be your own government's polices. For those living in a country that's massively arming Israel, choosing to focus on what's happening to Uyghurs is just... easy. It's a government on the other side of the ocean/continent, that you have little to no influnce over. A grand moral position, but one that doesn't actually ask anything of you.
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no member of the working class has power over any political authority and yet i can still have an opinion.
thinking israel is a colonist state also doesnt ask anything of me.
in fact, the chinese situation is much closer to home for me considering china is on my side of the world and an extremely potent political issue in my country. but ig you keep assuming...
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an extremely potent political issue in my country
secret-chinese-spy councillor or fishing rights, call it
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- a trade war that has been continuing for over 20 years
- extremely high property prices continually being sold to foreign investment firms
- an agricultural industry formally based upon small business family farms now being funnelled into a few small foreign hands
- a loss in political influence over our neighbours due to a global superpower pushing us out
- an education system focused on providing greater care for exchange students than educating an increasingly stupid at home population
would you like me to go on?
edit: also my favourite, random military drills in nearby waters without warning leading to passenger flights being diverted so they dont get shot down
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a trade war that has been continuing for over 20 years
extremely high property prices continually being sold to foreign investment firms
an agricultural industry formally based upon small business family farms now being funnelled into a few small foreign hands
a loss in political influence over our neighbours due to a global superpower pushing us out
an education system focused on providing greater care for exchange students than educating an increasingly stupid at home populationplease plEASE PLEASE reread this list and tell me how this is a china issue and not a your-country-doing-capitalism issue and that you're not a liberal
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lol, was just stating the issues, not my perspective on them. no shit these are issues with capitalism, doesnt this also show that china is doing capitalism as well?? or are they allowed tho
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"Doing capitalism"
Yes, there are Chinese capitalists, and they're often as noxious as any capitalist. The difference is they're not in control, they can be imprisoned or executed for their crimes. China is doing capitalism they way you'd do a hobby. Meanwhile, the anglosphere has capitalism like you'd have HIV: there is no function not compromised by it, and our capitalists are above the law.
Like dude, your problem is with capitalism.
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By even implying these are issues with China you have already provided a perspective. Everyone can see it and it is a perspective that has hoovered up propaganda.
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Time to swap overlords, vassal state.
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a trade war that has been continuing for over 20 years
Pushed by your country every single time.
extremely high property prices
Your housing is financialized. This is capitalism in your country functioning per capitalists' intentions.
continually being sold to foreign investment firms
This is a consequence of financialization. But you're supposed to be talking about China, right? Why don't you show us a breakdown of the percentage of your country's real estate is foreign-owned and by country?
Anglos have been scapegoating other countries for their financialized real estare bubbles to take the heat off their own financial capitalists, i.e. the people actually doing the deed.
an agricultural industry formally based upon small business family farms now being funnelled into a few small foreign hands
You used that word again - foreign. Is everything foreign China?
PS your country's agricultural industry has monopolized for ages, you're describing a myth that hasn't been true since the 70s.
a loss in political influence over our neighbours due to a global superpower pushing us out
Why does your country deserve political influence over its neighbors! What has it actually done with that influence? Ever done any investigation of, say, East Timor?
an education system focused on providing greater care for exchange students than educating an increasingly stupid at home population
Oh so you're just a xenophobe and likely racist. Go ahead and show your math on that one, O Great Working Class Appreciator.
would you like me to go on?
I'd rather you grew a spine and stopped pretending at knowledge.
edit: also my favourite, random military drills in nearby waters without warning leading to passenger flights being diverted so they dont get shot down
Just think critically. Just for a moment. These were "warships". Their live fire is basically big guns. How high to passenger aircraft fly? Put on your thinking cwhataboutismon't want to get all wgataboutism lest you have a critical thought, but what might be comparable here for, say, Australia? Has it, perchance, engaged in naval war exercises in the Taiwan Strait? Go ahead and remind yourself.
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if you replaced your brain with piss in your skull it'd be an improvement
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no member of the working class has power over any political authority and yet i can still have an opinion.
-you in 2002 trying very leftistly to convince me that Saddam Hussein has weapons of mass destruction
You're entitled to an opinion, but this opinion is wrong and based in no investigation.
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Yes it does, because you can do something about it.
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no member of the working class has power over any political authority and yet i can still have an opinion.
Literally every working class organization is a political authority over which they are exercising power. And these organizations are frequently used to effect change, which is why capitalist states constantly try to stifle them.
thinking israel is a colonist state also doesnt ask anything of me.
Your state funds and runs interference for genocide. It uses fake genocide propaganda against China, in part, to take the heat off of itself. You are gladly supporting their effort using faux left language that is really just liberal thinking.
in fact, the chinese situation is much closer to home for me considering china is on my side of the world and an extremely potent political issue in my country. but ig you keep assuming...
China is not a political issue. It is a country of over a billion people. Your country is just an Anglo settler colonist vassal of the chief imperialists and those imperialists demand that you pick fights with their designated rival.
Are you just going to do what they tell you?
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whataboutism
is the preferred incantation of hypocrites.
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If an openly genocidal regime points at someone else and says they're doing a genocide, that claim should be ignored because it is coming from the least reliable source possible.
If the openly genocidal remime starts praising someone else, that's extremely worrying and whoever is being praised is most likely being praised for doing something evil.
The people pushing the "China is doing a genocide" narrative are the same people rapidly defending Ukrainian nazis and the zionist's so called "right to defend themselves"
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don't you see how clearly this is whataboutism
Whataboutism isn't real you fucking nerd
It's literally a concept that exists to do what you're doing now
The first use of the term was during the troubles in Ireland when the Irish accused the British of the brutal repression they were doing and the British just called it "whataboutery" so they could turn off their brains and keep doing the same shit
Every single fucking time i see some fucking liberal say whataboutism, IT'S THE EXACT SAME SHIT
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Whataboutism? What about deez nuts?
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im not from either of those places and like, don't you see how clearly this is whataboutism.
Whataboutism is a liberal thought-terminating cliché whose purpose is to shut down valid points about inconsistent rhetoric and thoughts. Liberals depend on inconsistency to maintain their worldview, for them and theirs to be the good guys doing correct actions even though they constantly do the exact opposite and for their designated enemies to be evil incarnate deserving of every violence the liberals' governments attempt to unleash.
Instead of validating this absurd way of thinking, criticize it.
normally i dont really like the 'logical fallacy' point in political diacussions or whatever, but damn. all governments around the world are awful and will fuck the working class as soon as it gives a powerful individual more power.
Is "Israel" genociding Gaza the same as Vietnam having traffic cops? This flattening rhetoric is not insightful, it is actually incorrect and you're using it to defend actual imperialist lies. It's also basically ancap bullshit at its core, zero social analysis, just a vague "government bad" statement. What tools do you think the working class will use for its liberation? You think it's just going to abolish government and survive?
if the UN has clearly stated that in many interviews people have said they were forcibly drugged, woman assulted and people interred without access to communications with their family...
"The UN" has said none of this. Read your sources more carefully.
idk, ig i am wasting my time, obviously the most scrutinised multi-national institution is bias. china definately doesnt have greater representation than most other countries.
I think you're trying to make some sarcastic point but it doesn't make any sense. What are you trying to say?
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Whataboutism? What about deez nuts?
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whataboutism just ends up serving to remove any context. which is convenient because china and others are only really that bad if you remove all context.
the west is the biggest empire and murder and suffering machine in history. we are looking at improvement. none of these accusations hold a candle to the current hegemon.
and if solving these issues overnight is the only acceptable solution, i don't really know what to tell you.
i suspect that comes from the empires own "whataboutism" but what do i know.
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