Lemmy.world Hexbear Statement

Update:
The comments from this post will not be removed as to preserve the discussion around the announcement. Any continued discussions outside of this thread that violate server rules will be removed. We feel that everyone that has an opinion, and wanted to vent, has been heard.

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Original post:
Yesterday, we received information about the planned federation by Hexbear. The announcement thread can be found here: https://www.hexbear.net/post/280770. After reviewing the thread and the comments, it became evident that allowing Hexbear to federate would violate our rules.

Our code of conduct and server rules can be found here.

The announcement included several concerning statements, as highlighted below:

“Please try to keep the dirtbag lib-dunking to hexbear itself. Do not follow the Chapo Rules of Posting, instead try to engage utilizing informed rhetoric with sources to dismantle western propaganda. Posting the western atrocity propaganda and pig poop balls is hilarious but will pretty quickly get you banned and if enough of us do it defederated.”
“The West's role in the world, through organizations such as NATO, the IMF, and the World Bank - among many others - are deeply harmful to the billions of people living both inside and outside of their imperial core.”
“These organizations constitute the modern imperial order, with the United States at its heart - we are not fooled by the term "rules-based international order." It is in the Left's interest for these organizations to be demolished. When and how this will occur, and what precisely comes after, is the cause of great debate and discussion on this site, but it is necessary for a better world.”

The rhetoric and goal of Hexbar are clear based on their announcement: to "dismantle western propaganda" and "demolish organizations such as NATO” shows that Hexbar has no intention of "respecting the rules of the community instance in which they are posting/commenting.” It’s to push their beliefs and ideology.

In addition, several comments from a Hexbear admin, demonstrate that instance rules will not be respected.

Here are some examples:

“I can assure you there will be no lemmygrad brigades, that energy would be better funneled into the current war against liberalism on the wider fediverse.”

“All loyal, honest, active and upright Communists must unite to oppose the liberal tendencies shown by certain people among us, and set them on the right path. This is one of the tasks on our ideological front.”

Overall community comments:

To clarify, for those who have inquired about why Hexbear versus Lemmygrad, it should be noted that we are currently exploring the possibility of defederating from Lemmygrad as well based on similar comments Hexbear has made.

Defederation should only be considered as a last resort. However, based on their comments and behavior, no positive outcomes can be expected.

We made the decision to preemptively defederate from Hexbear for these reasons. While we understand that not everyone may agree with our decision, we believe it is important to prioritize the best interests of our community.

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I don't agree with their sh*t and whatnot, but this move seems to me like "We will defederate you because your political beliefs are not the same as ours." What a shame, Lemmyworld admins.
- Yeah, it seems like we're now losing out on 20k people to interact with which seems a shame.
- I mean, I haven't been banned yet, and theres plenty of tankies floating around. Lemmy.world is pretty lax as I can tell.
- You must not have seen the post in question.
  
  The entire thing was directly, openly planning to go to other instances and intentionally disrupt them. Idgaf what their beliefs are, you get defederated for that. It's bullshit.
  
  Seriously, go wade through the comments over there. They're gederating specifically to fuck up everyone else.
  
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  The admins seem to be well-intentioned. They want to federate with other servers in a way that's nice and positive.
  
  They're also saying "what's normal behaviour here is unacceptable on most other servers, please be nice". That indicates to me, an outsider, that they've collected a whole bunch of users that I don't really want to interact with.
  
  Looking at the front page things aren't as bad as the federation rules seem to imply, but on the other hand that's just what the post-moderation popular vote is like.
  
  Looking at the front page things aren’t as bad as the federation rules seem to imply, but on the other hand that’s just what the post-moderation popular vote is like.
  
  you can read the modlog and see what is removed, or sort by new if you want to see less popular posts. It's not incredibly inflammatory stuff
  
  It's a pretty isolated community, so yeah, they may be hostile to outsiders coming into their communities, but people that aren't starting political slapfights are generally treated fine
  
  Yeah, but there's a giant comment section openly declaring the intent to ignore the fuck out of that.
  
  While the admins there aren't responsible for their users actions, they haven't taken any steps beyond that single line to make a stand against the planned actions either. They could have removed those comments, made further announcements, something, anything. So that sentence is no more than an "oh no, anything but that. Anyway..." situation.
  
  Conversely, while they aren't responsible for their user's actions, any other instance preventing their user's actions is not only acceptable, it should be expected.
  
  This is exactly when defederation should be used
  
  could you point to the "giant comment section"? I'm going through the thread sorted by old and I haven't seen anything like that for the first 100 comments, the vast majority of comments are just inside jokes and the like
  
  Source: straight up lies.
  
  Please read and respect the rules of the community instance in which you are posting/commenting. Please try to keep the dirtbag lib-dunking to hexbear itself. Do not follow the Chapo Rules of Posting, instead try to engage utilizing informed rhetoric
  
  You have been proven wrong by quotes and logic!
  
  Literally a commenter on one of the linked posts:
  
  yeah lol. I might start farming up a few accounts at the new non-overloaded instances that are popping up. Don't need to register at beehaw itself to bug their libs. maybe somewhere has open registration
  
  Edit to say: I support the defederation.
  
  This single user's plan does even involve using Hexbear. Lemmy.world would have to defederate from all other instances to prevent this person from trolling.
  
  Did you look at the posts? It’s all over the comments! Would you like some more examples for your edification?
  
  you and I have very different defnitions of "all over the comments" if you actually scroll through the hexbear federation post there's no comments like that, .world admin is just using comments from threads over 2 months ago, or stuff that I'm not even sure what the complaint is about. like this one https://www.hexbear.net/comment/3648500, lemmy.world doesn't ban users for breaking other instance's rules, I know this because y'all come troll in lemmygrad 24/7 and I literally never see your admins ban them

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