Are there any communist or socialist societies existing today?
Are there any communist or socialist societies existing today?
I've been speaking with other more informed communists and they've told me that none actually exist. Is this true?
China, Laos, and Vietnam: now notoriously capitalists. Workers work 12+ hours with no protection in horrible factory conditions. Suicide rates are so high that suicide nets are installed. The air is so polluted millions die from lung cancer, especially factory workers w/out basic masks. Corporations dominate
North Korea: Undemocratically ruled by the Kim dynasty. Jong un indulges lavishly at the expense of his citizens, ordering millions in fine wine and trips from Denis Rodman. They might be the most socialist though, as Juche seems to otherwise be democratic.
Cuba: Sanctions have taken a massive toll, but even taking that into account the country still has its own problems. They have massive food shortages and inventory probs and aren't self sufficient after 60+ years. Why couldn't they've use machinery imported from the Soviet Union to develop their agriculture and fishery? The Soviets supported them heavily. They seem to be incredibly mismanaged or corrupt
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Socialist, yes. Most of Europe is pretty heavily socialist.
As far as communism goes though, not any at national scale. Where you tend to find actual communism tends to be in small, very tightly knit communities, but they don't usually call the structure of how their communities function "communism" and at least here in the US, would be "annoyed" were you foolish enough to describe how they live as communism.
Most of Europe is pretty heavily socialist.
what timeline do you live in?
The one where Stalin liberated all of Europe
A timeline in which parts of the world are so in love with capitalism that they think that 20-30 vacation days, affordable healthcare and the barest minimum of unemployment payments are basically a Marxist utopia.
Signed, a guy from Germany who has seen friends become homeless because their unemployment payments were taken away for reasons they had no control over.
None of Europe is socialist. It is all capitalist.
The communism you're referring to here seems to be the notion of a stateless, classless society. This is, by definition, incompatible with the existence of a nation-state, so the idea of such a country is oxymoronic and not what any communist would say reflects their politics - not now and not historically. It's a liberal confusion, as liberals know basically nothing about politics and substitute mass media memes and vibes in its stead.
None of Vietnam is socialist. It is all capitalist
Another person here claims Vietnam is socialist, despite being a social democracy. Why is it that one country gets a pass, but the other one does not? Is it really about the labels that nations affix to themselves?
Feel free to revisit my original comment in this thread where I go over what is meant by "socialist country". Funnily enough, it's the first comment of mine you replied to, though you didn't address anything I said in it and instead just started asking stupid questions. At least you're consistent!
Another person here claims Vietnam is socialist, despite being a social democracy. Why is it that one country gets a pass, but the other one does not?
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Okay, you're afraid to answer the question.
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Pathetic.
Why are you afraid to engage
you're confusing socialism for social democracy. social democracy comes at the expense of large scale exploitation of the third world through neo-colonial imperialism, so it is still capitalism
Exactly! For example, Vietnam is a social democracy
Pretty sure explotation isnt a requirement for social democracy, though I do not deny that explotation is currently happening, really need that cobalt.
it is a requirement if you want to be a very rich social democracy
Exactly. Vietnam: social democracy
Marx uses the words Socialism and Communism pretty much interchangeably (Engels a little less so). But Europe hasn't been either since about 1990
