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I do agree, but the reason Baldwin is even being looked at is because he was also the producer, if I'm not mistaken. So it could be related to some negligence on that end. But yeah, as far as what he was doing as an actor, it doesn't seem like he should have any responsibility.
There’s a few reasons why he was charged, both as an actor and producer. Gun safety just can’t be fucked around with.
In the document, prosecutors accused Baldwin of “many instances of extremely reckless acts” during the film’s production.
They wrote that Baldwin “was not present” for mandatory firearms training before filming began. He was instead provided on-set guidance but prosecutors allege he was “distracted and talking on his cell phone to his family.” The training session was scheduled for an hour but was only 30 minutes long due to Baldwin’s “distraction” on the phone.
… The prosecutor’s statement described several “acts or omissions of recklessness” on the set of Rust. This included foregoing the use of a prop gun during unscheduled rehearsals, willful ignorance toward on-set safety complaints and a lack of armourer-performed safety checks.
https://globalnews.ca/news/9451182/alec-baldwin-rust-manslaughter-charge-phone/amp/
I'm no lawyer or anything, but Baldwin has been an actor in professional movies with prop guns for a long time, I think it's going to be hard for them to pin it on him (as an actor) for supposedly blowing off a single firearms course, and even that's unconfirmed right? I think it's unlikely that they'll charge him as a producer as well, because it sounds like they hired all the right people for the job and had firearms training and everything.
This whole thing just sounds like lawyers passing the buck back and forth, so who even knows what actually happened at this point. Will be interesting to see what comes up over time.
I kind of agree but if an incident happens on a site where the shooter wasn't paying attention to training and never attended the initial safety briefing then that's their own problem.
Working in construction, if I never turned up to a health and safety briefing ( and let me tell you they're repetitive as fuck) and something went wrong but my excuse was "I didn't need to go cos I've been to these before" it wouldn't go in my favour whatsoever. I don't think it's a reasonable excuse either. If there's potential for lives to be at stake, you should be paying attention. At the very least, even if not for other people's lives, just go so you can say you listened and followed every instruction but the mistake still happened. That way youve covered your own back.
Weren't they using the guns for target practice for fun at some point?
I've heard that too, but I think at this point even that's unconfirmed and we still aren't sure who was actually shooting live rounds from them.
Also is that not allowed? I honestly have no idea how that works. You'd think a movie set gun shouldn't have live rounds in it ever, but I guess the production could be renting the gun from someone and they'd take it home every night...
As a construction worker or an engineer, you need to take a safety training for each new construction site you go on, even if it's your 40th worksite. So I feel like it's not so hard to pin Baldwin for not taking the hour course properly.
In a civil suit maybe, but for criminal charges you'd have to prove that he did blow off the course and the shooting was a direct result of him blowing off the course. Both are just very hard to prove.
"Yeah he blew off this years mandatory training, but he showed up to last years training, it can't be his fault!".
Idk that doesn't really seem like a valid excuse
We're talking manslaughter charges here, Baldwin's lawyer doesn't have to prove he's not at fault, the prosecution has to prove without a reasonable doubt that he is at fault. Very different things.
He has both criminal and civil charges being brought against him though, and the civil charges have a much lower standard. He might not be charged with manslaughter, but still be liable as the one at fault
Yeah for sure, but I mean the context of this conversation is him being actually charged.
But if he has so much experience with guns on movie sets, then he knows how to property handle firearms safely, and if he followed proper gun safety he wouldn't have shot anyone
I agree that the only reason he SHOULD have been looked at is his role as a producer but I don't think that was the case at all. The ad got a plea deal iirc. It seemed more like the police wanted to get a famous feather in their cap and focused on him as the shooter which was obviously bullshit. Alec Baldwin is a dickhead at least and his wife is weird but blaming him for that was dumb from the get go
He made fun of orange man. That's what the police wanted him for mostly. If he was negligent as a producer. I think that's fair. And probably going to be hard to impossible for them to actually prove etc. But it wouldn't be getting the attention it is if he hadn't hurt orange man's fee fees.
I would say it's getting attention because he's an arrogant prick whose arrogance led directly to a murder and we're all curious if that even means anything anymore.
Wtf does riffing on Trump have to do with it?
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Calling it some right-wing conspiracy is probably where the downvotes are coming from.
- Some serious shit was actually occurring
- Alec Baldwin was a huge arrogant asshole about it at first, trying to cover his ass as a producer regarding #1
- Trump, as Trump does, makes a pretty singular inflammatory comment about it, which points all his brainwashed minions at Baldwin.
So mostly I think the point is that there is room for both on this.
It's not some secret conspiracy. Authoritarian right wing circles have been smearing their perceived enemies boosting false or overhyped stories for at least a half century.
A story like this. If it was anybody else.wouldn't be getting this sort of coverage. That's an objectively true statement. And completely uncontroversial as well. But you all can't acknowledged that.
Orange man bad, but your post is worse.
What?
No, the reason Baldwin is being looked at is because he’s a Democrat and does an impression of dear leader that makes the orange shitstain look like the buffoon he is.
There is an interesting conversation to be had here about gun safety on a movie set, and there should absolutely be accountability taken for what has happened. However, I can't help but notice that the vast majority of those calling for Alec's head specifically are MAGA Republicans, which makes me a bit less inclined to take their side. They have some good points, but arrived at them by starting with "he's guilty" and working backwards, which I just can't get behind.
I think he's got some culpability but isn't deserving of the public execution his politically-motivated detractors want.
Careful having a reason to Viewpoint like that will get you downvoted.
How exactly do comments like this encourage the reasonable discourse you seem to want to have?
I was agreeing with you. So I figured you'd know.
Yep, whoever brought live ammo to the set and loaded it into the gun on a day they probably knew it was going to be used while pointed at another person - that's the real culprit in all this. 50/50 this was a deliberate hit on baldwin and the poor sod at the other end of the barrel and not just negligence.