Biden goes into 2024 with the economy getting stronger, but voters feel horrible about it
Biden goes into 2024 with the economy getting stronger, but voters feel horrible about it
President Joe Biden goes into next year’s election with a vexing challenge: Just as the U.S. economy is getting stronger, people are still feeling horrible about it
President Joe Biden goes into next year's election with a vexing challenge: Just as the U.S. economy is getting stronger, people are still feeling horrible about it.
Pollsters and economists say there has never been as wide a gap between the underlying health of the economy and public perception. The divergence could be a decisive factor in whether the Democrat secures a second term next year. Republicans are seizing on the dissatisfaction to skewer Biden, while the White House is finding less success as it tries to highlight economic progress.
“Things are getting better and people think things are going to get worse — and that’s the most dangerous piece of this," said Democratic pollster Celinda Lake, who has worked with Biden. Lake said voters no longer want to just see inflation rates fall — rather, they want an outright decline in prices, something that last happened on a large scale during the Great Depression.
“Honestly, I’m kind of mystified by it,” she said.
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Whenever anyone says "the economy", you can and should mentally substitute it with "rich people's yacht money".
Rich people's yacht money doing well doesn't do shit for 90% of the population. It doesn't pay the rent, put food on the table or clothes on their back. They can't afford to see a doctor or ride the damn bus.
And you want them to be happy because some stockbroker is getting a second holiday in the Maldives this year?
Stupid arrogant fucks.
That's why they say "unemployment being too low is bad for the economy". Low unemployment means higher negotiating power for workers, which means higher wages and better working conditions. The only way that statement makes any sense is if they're exclusively talking about yacht money.
But the rules of supply and demand should only apply to the consumer, not the producer.
Don't even start on the wage-inflation-spiral idea. It's the workers' fault for wanting higher wages as it allows service-oriented business to charge higher prices, driving inflation.
While the theory probably has roots in real-world pricing algorithms (eg how much can we charge people in X region for Netflix) that rise in cost contributes to inflation figures. The fact that wages have been stagnant for decades undermines the whole argument.
"Well the poors can afford it and the shareholders will love it!" FFS
Similarly, when they say NAIRU, you can and should mentally substitute "inexhaustible scab labour pool".
Low unemployment means higher negotiating power for workers
Too bad all those "right to work" people have been actively fighting against negotiation powers for workers. But lets blame the 'yacht owners' and piss and moan about how they take advantage of the lopsided negotiation powers we voted in for them.
I know! We should put exclusively yacht owners in power! They'll totally fix it. /s
When people say they’re not happy about the economy, this is the shit they’re talking about, not statistics.
Ordinary people get fucked in this economy, and there isn’t any party that can do anything about it.
The socialist party.
They’d like to do something about it. But they can’t get elected.
Unless there’s something else they’re planning.
'Murica had a chance in 2016 but the DNC decided "nah".
I’ll say it an umpteenth time: good fash/bad fash afab.
Bernie would have won, and the last 8 years would have been vastly different.
My comment was in agreement.
Ah, my apologies.
No worries. I have a hard time reading between the lines, myself.
Al Gore ran and would have won but republicans stole that one. It’s more complex than “DNC is icky”
The DNC manipulated the vote between Clinton and Bernie so Clinton would win the nomination.
They're not "icky" ... they're manipulative assholes.
Except they didn’t manipulate the vote and you’re just quoting trump:
Best there was was a fundraising agreement that favored the established candidate, could have done better but that’s not manipulating the vote unless you’re an idiot.
Meanwhile Bernie’s caucuses with fascists? You sound like you have no grasp Of the world because anyone less than pure is a facist to you while actual fascist get voted in because of you ignorance and apathy.
Again Bernie endorses and caucuses with democrats. Because they rigged the vote? You realize how aligned he is with the dem party and works with their establishment. So he’s a fascist too?
Again Bernie endorses and caucuses with democrats. Because they rigged the vote? You realize how aligned he is with the dem party and works with their establishment. So he’s a fascist too?
Along with refusing to endorse a ceasefire, Bernie is just proving Stalin correct: social democracy is the leftwing of fascism.
They are also fascists.
But they’re Rainbow Fascists, so they’re better than Trump… right? Right??
No, if Bernie somehow won the nomination in 2016 then Hilary would have endorsed Trump to stop socialism.
Never underestimate Democrats.
Politics literally sets the rules. If you can get an elected majority you can certainly do something about it.
To fix things we would need one party to take over 153 separate branches of government.
Ezpz
What could possibly go wrong with a one-party state?
Not at all. You’re missing the forest for the trees lmao
The problem is that no matter how much inflation goes down, if the price gouging capitalists that own the grocery stores, the gas stations, and so on don’t stop.
It’s not about rich people’s yacht it’s about the American people being taken advantage of simply because they can. The economy is doing a lot better, record low unemployment for example is a huge metric here but what difference does that make when the grocery stores are selling less for more money?
You’re crying about rich people’s yachts when you should be crying about record price gouging without any cause. Those yachts don’t have impact on the average American’s QoL but price gouging absolutely does.
When investors do better, nobody else does better. The whole system is based on harvesting wealth from society as a whole, and concentrating it in the top 1%. Ever hear of the Gini coefficient?
Yes, price-gouging companies jacking up their prices and paying fuckall in wages are the direct instrument of suffering. But they do so in order to provide yacht money for the investor class, and in so doing they impoverish literally everyone else.
The uh... the yachts are payed for with price gouging my dude. 😕
Median income is up since before the pandemic, even when adjusting for inflation. The average person is better off.
“My rent is going up and food and gas are more expensive. My tooth hurts but I can’t afford to get it fixed, and now my check engine light is on.”
“ACTUALLY median income is up!”
Do you see how that’s not helping?
Gas is actually the one thing I've noticed that has been a lot better lately. But everything else is still expensive from the crazy greedflation every company was trying to pull when we were tolerating post-pandemic cost rises.
Gas prices are one of the few economic indicators most people are aware of, sometimes painfully. If Biden wants to turn sentiments around, lowering those more would probably be the most effective means.
Yes, Biden should pull the magic gas lever for Americans! What is he waiting for??
Health care is actually hugely underestimated, here. Health costs have been going up decade over decade and people's health problems have been stacking up. While in the '70s and '80s people could get treatment, someone born in those years started out with the ability to get medical care but has increasingly lost access as they've gone through their lives.
Those people are getting older, now, and it's getting to the point where they can't just ignore the stuff they can't afford. Conditions that would have been easy to treat (but often rare/expensive) are becoming chronic, fatal, or debilitating.
Life expectancy is starting to drop and while that drop is largely due to COVID (which, by itself, is an insane thing) it's also a warning sign about what's to come.
Prices go up every year, it's by how much matters. For example, rent has been going up slower than inflation for a year now. For every person whose rent went up, there must be a lot of people who don't go online to verify their rent did not go up
You've got numbers on the brain. Think like a human.
We're living in some of the best economy of our lives. Was nobody here alive in 2009?
I was. The economy didn't feel much different. Barely had anything left at the end of the month and a major expense would bankrupt me, just like today.
Except for all the people who lost their jobs back then, yeah, no different
Cost of living is outpacing it. Housing in particular.
Yeah every time I get a raise I think "finally I'll be able to buy a house soon" then I look at the prices and see I'm still losing ground.
Wrong
Definitely not true for me personally or anyone I know well enough to know their financial info. Most people I know are barely able to stay in place, with their 'raises' almost immediately consumed by inflation and higher rent everywhere.
They are not the median, then, but maybe in the lower half of the income which is not doing as well
Yeehaw! I don't know anyuh them median's neither! Any y'all met a median?
Median≠mode≠mean
The median can be skewed by high end outliers.
Median by definition is not skewed by outliers. If there are 160 million workers, the 80 millionth worker is the median