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I love when this topic comes up because people definitely don't have a weird fixation on foreskin and totally have balanced discussions that calmly hears both sides.
Not a fixation on foreskins but on personal freedoms and the right to choose what happens to your own body:
Are you an adult? Cut off what ever part of your body you want to. I don't care.
Are you an adult who wants to cut of body parts from others? No. Stop it. Let them decided themselves when they are old enough.
If you intentionally do not recognize it as a legitimate medical procedure with lots of science backed behind it, then you're purposefully spreading misinfo. That's just a fact. Just like how some people in this thread are saying it reduces sexual pleasure, scientific evidence states this is not true. It's also significantly safer and less risk when they're a baby. These are just peer-reviewed objective facts that have been extensively tested and confirmed.
Haha the irony of you coming out so strongly after your original statement is gold.
Not really, I'm open to seeing any evidence as to why the CDC is factually wrong.
Don't ask me, I think we should just cut the whole thing off.
Hey, as long as you own what you're cutting I'm cool
No. All of 'em. Americans do go far enough. Everyone should walk around with little nubs.
you're an idiot and so is anyone that agrees to circumcision for an infant.
Very level headed statement after being shown evidence
lol 'evidence'
I've been reading your comments, it's amazing how someone can link an article to 37 grown men voluntarily circumcising themselves and use that as evidence towards why children would like to be circumcised.
You fucking dumb my guy.
Or a lobbyist for big foreskin.
I think part of the problem with this discussion is that a lot of us who were circumcised without consent spend most of our early years thinking it's normal and there is nothing to be upset about. So when people point out the practice is generally very harmful, it is upsetting. It can be hard to process at first, and I think, unfortunately, some people double down on traditional rationalizations as a defense mechanism.
That being said, I am not a fan of people referring to my genitalia as mutilated/mangled or to me as damaged. It is completely valid to be upset about having your foreskin removed without your consent, but I feel sometimes people veer a little too far in projecting their own hurt onto others. Many people live fulfilling lives with circumcised penises, and some even do it by choice, so, speaking strictly for myself, I generally am glass half-full about it.
- Kids can't consent. Parents do it for them in every aspect. This is no different. Making medical decisions for your kids is normal.
- You have no reason to be bitter about a legitimate pre emptive procedure to prevent smegma and potential phimosis
- Male circ is a safe and sometimes necessary procedure.
- Why cant you people be honest? You're bitter we get it. But lying about circumcision is just stupid and doesn't convince anyone to not do it.
- Everyone should Google phimosis. Anti circ ppl love to lie about there being no medical reason or excuse it away.
- It's none of your business what other people do with their bodies.
- There is nothing harmful here at all. It's no different than removing a skin tag. Demonizing it is laughable.
Google says phimosis is fixed easily and is rare to begin with. I think being passionate on either side is silly
Harming babies unnecessarily tends to bring out passion in some.
I'm circumcised and happy about it because of conversations I've had various women about dicks in general and my dick in particular with a few of them. That being said if I ever have a son, he won't be circumcised. Unless his mom is Jewish I guess. But I don't understand the anger around the subject at all.
It's good you're able to talk sanely about it.
But I don't understand the anger around the subject at all.
It's simply a subject of personal autonomy and body integrity.
Imagine being a grown man or just a teenager and being forced to perform that operation without your consent nor any explanation (as it's mostly useless out of social norms and potentially harmful). I guess you'd be furious, at least.
That's it.
But it's not happening to grown men or teenagers against their will. It's happening to people when they won't remember it and the idea is it prevents minor annoyances about being a man. Archaic and unnecessary? Definitely. But getting mad at people isn't going to change their mind and doesn't help people understand it's unnecessary. That said, being someone who has a mentally unhealthy aversion to bathing, I'm really glad I don't have to even think about "smegma" I didn't even know it was a thing until I was fully grown.
Edit: to be clear, I don't think anyone should do that to their kids. If you can't teach your kid to clean themselves you probably shouldn't have them to begin with. I just think it's more helpful for future kids if their parents aren't circumcising them because they don't want to agree with the annoying angry people online. It would be more helpful to spread knowledge without judgement or making people feel shameful for something they thought was good. That's how you get people to double down.
Why is this a both sides thing? Circumcision is a Jewish rite that became a larger thing because of a couple mentions in the Christian New Testament. It also has some medical application for individuals with certain conditions.
Doing it to all male babies doesn’t make rational sense unless you are a specific type of religious.
While circumcision has been a Jewish tradition historically, it has come a long way since then. There are decades of medical research and studies that prove that it is a safe procedure for newborns and bring numerous benefits later in life. Please trust the science and not the religious rhetoric.