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I always find it interesting how different the interpretations are of this flag between people who fly it and people who live outside the south.
If you ask your average redditor or lemmite, it's a symbol of the utmost hatred and racism. It's a symbol that supports slavery and white nationalism. After all, that's what the confederacy was fighting for, right?
If you ask the average person who flies the flag, it actually has nothing to do with those things. It's about freedom from tyranny. It's about independence, and not allowing the guy with the big stick to tell you what to do.
The average redditor/lemmite will say, "Yeah, but the whole reason they fought for independence was to keep slaves!" And you would be right, if we were talking about the people flying the flag during the Civil War. A lot has changed since then. Hell, even at the time, it was the wealthy who cared about the right to own slaves. The average soldier was just told that the war was about independence from an authority that wanted to dictate how they lived their lives.
Given the relatively recent battle for civil rights, trans rights, etc, I would think people could empathize with not wanting other people thousands of miles away to dictate your laws and morality. But that's the funny thing about power. When you don't have it, those who do are oppressors. When you do have it, you're just "right", and you have to make sure everyone else is living by that same morally pure doctrine. The doctrine of diversity, equity, and inclusion is in power now. Anything that goes against it will be crushed.
Hi I grew up in rural Kentucky, currently live in rural Indiana. The flyers of this flag hate gays and blacks, unilaterally.
Think for a second. Why, if you didn't want to project the idea that you proudly hate gays and blacks, would you fly this flag? The association is too deep. You can't fly this flag without very intentionally telling all the black and gay people around you that you hate them, even if "that's not what it means to you"
No, everybody flying this flag knows that, they don't care. They're cool with the message, they support the message. They just know it's not a great argument for the media 😉
That's the biggest load of bull I've heard in a while and it's nothing less than apologetic. Most of the people flying these flags today will say the same general shit revolving around "tHe SoUtH wIlL rIsE aGaIn!" Or "SoUtHeRn PrIdE"
Sometimes things are exactly as they seem and aren't more than surface deep
It's the dog whistling tactic but using a regular whistle and trying to convince everyone else that we can't hear it. Idolizing traitors to own the libs. Sad!
Independence from what exactly? Hm? What things did they feel they were being oppressed over? Got a list?
I doubt you have it on hand, so I looked over the secession documents and speeches from Confederates etc. Here's an exhaustive list of things they wanted to keep that were being "taken from them":
- Slavery
Oh no not diversity and inclusion?!? How awful.
Ahh so if we just ignore the bad reasons something started and stick to a positive part of a concept, we should all be fine waving Nazi flags too I guess
Finally a based comment. But as we can see just like on reddit, people dont like based comments because people would rather have a circlejerk.
"I know the 'cunts kicking puppies for four years over a century ago before getting shitheeled into the dirt' is an unpopular group, but can't we see their side of things? Clearly their flag means freedom from oppression!"
Go back to Twitter with your other white supremacist friends.
What you are doing is called strawmanning and is generally considered to be a logical fallacy.
I'm not here to debate white supremacists. I'm here to tell them to fuck off and eat shit. You can go with them if you want.
Edit: ROFL ah I didn't even see your username. Fuck off.
Honestly i dont know wtf you are talking about. What is wrong with my username? Also what makes you think im a white supremacist?
I didn't realize I was responding to you and not some other anonymous racist apologist, that's all. And it's clear what you are by the fact that you're calling the first comment based despite that it's trying to separate the Confederacy's flag from the reality that they SECEDED AND WENT TO WAR OVER WANTING TO KEEP BLACK FOLKS AS SLAVES and their flag represents that.
I called it based because it tried to analyze the meaning of the symbol used by people today to better understand the thoughts that people have when using those symbols. I think its unfair to dismiss certain viewpoints by representing them in a bad light intentionally. If you represent a different view with the best possible arguments and then refute those arguments then your conclusion has more merit. What is wrong about wanting arguments against people using the confederte flag to have the most merit possible? Its also called "giving the devil his due".
I guess we read the last paragraph differently, I read "inclusivity and celebrating diversity is equivalent to violent oppression and punishing diversity", let alone that the rest of the content softens the reality that the Confederacy was all about slavery and white supremacy as a race.
Anyway, I'm not listening to myself very well here. Not here to debate white supremacists, bigots, or fascists. Fuck off and eat shit.
Comments like this are so disingenuine. Most people don't like these ideas, not be cause they're ultra terrible ideas, but just because they feel like they want to be part of a larger group?
Missing the point that "people" are generally not shitheads and don't like shithead ideas
The problem is that if you represent a "shithead idea" by its worst arguments than you are beeing dishonest. If you would take the best arguments and then refute them your actually beeing honest. Any viewpoint can be ridiculed in some way, just look at south park. If you ridicule any viewpoint that opposes you and pick the best arguments for your side than of course every other idea is a "shithead idea".