Can't we all just get along?
Can't we all just get along?
Inspired by gregorum's post concerning issues with startrek.website, which is ironic as lemmy.world is a bit glitchy right now and isn't letting me upload and had to use my alt here.
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Except the new movies.... That's not Star Trek
Sure it is. It may be flashier, have a larger budget, and largely miss the spirit of the series at that time... I had a point here somewhere.
Eh, pick and choose what bits you enjoy.
I liked the "hand held one person cross galaxy transporter that can move someone from Earth to Qo'noS that fundamentally changes all aspects of several galactic civilizations including the concept of space travel via starship, but is for some reason never used or mentioned again by anyone in the universe because Abrams clearly gave no fucks at all about the source material and just invented something so utterly 'not trek' because he wrote himself into a corner and didn't care about anything except the giant check he got."
That was my favorite part.
Figuring out a tech solution that could be applied to many other problems then completely forgetting about it in the next episode is what Star Trek is all about isn't it?
Especially when the transporter is involved. They've used the transporter to cure diseases, then forget about it later. Scotty was in a transporter pattern for decades putting him into a perfect stasis. Whey don't they do something like that for emergency situations if they're running out of air or food? Forgot about it. Riker got split into two different Rikers. Wouldn't the Dominion want to recreate this so they could quickly make millions of copies of fully trained Jem Hadar soldiers every time they rocked up to a planet they wanted to conquer? Guess they didn't think about that. That time O'Brien transported to a ship when the shields were up. Few episodes later "we can't beam over their shields are up!"
The list goes on and on.
I think it's firmly established that transporters are basically magic in Star Trek. They can do whatever an episode needs them to do and they can't do things whenever it would too easily solve a problem. If we're ten minute into an episode: "nope transporter can't do that even if it worked in a previous episode" Last 10 minutes of an episode: "We use the transporter by doing <technobbable>!"
Sonic Screwdriver doesn't work on wood.
And then in the next movie they cured death!
In fairness, they did that on Voyager first.
In what way? I don't remember that.
Neelix is killed while participating in a survey mission of a protomatter nebula. Using a technique devised by Seven of Nine, however, the Doctor is able to revive Neelix after being dead for nearly 19 hours.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mortal_Coil_(Star_Trek:_Voyager)
You get wikipedia because memory alpha is unnecessarily verbose here.
Ah, now I remember.
I'm watching the first bit of that episode now, and in fairness, at least they attempt to sort of justify it by saying it's just that the Borg assimilated species with better medical technology and that their ability to revive drones is limited to only up to 73 hours after death.
I don't have a copy of the JJ movie conveniently to hand at the moment to check (I never bothered to obtain a copy because all the plot holes piss me off), but I don't recall them even bothering to do any hand-waving to limit the scope.
Loath as I am to defend Into Darkness, this is arbitrary skepticism and Voyager is by far a worse offender.
It's not explicitly said but the circumstances are much tighter: I'm pretty sure McCoy stuffs Kirk's corpse into a cryo tube almost immediately after he dies and the gang also needs to capture, not kill a raging genetically enhanced warlord to have a shot at it. The two subsequent references to the Kelvin timeline after this offers no circumstance under which this technology could reasonably be used but wasn't. If they somehow did manage to repurpose Khan's magic panacea blood there's no indication it would be more than an immediate revival drug--like something we see used in Lower Decks as a joke.
Hmm, you're probably right. I guess I'm just less inclined to give JJ movies the benefit of the doubt because of everything else wrong with them.
His favorite part was also the giant check
You need some punctuation bud
Also it is silly point out limitations of a made of technology
I liked them. They're the first time my wife got interested in Star Trek and an appreciation for sci-fi. It's very hard getting people into this stuff using old studio shows from the 20th century.
I've heard similar from others that it works as a wedge in the door. That's when you take the opportunity to slip in that DS9.
DS9 of all things? With those exquisitely boring first three seasons? That'll get them off the hook right away!
I would recommend jumping in where Sisko and the show at large "grows the beard."
My first new Trek was TNG, which I enjoyed, along with DS9. Then, I just lost interest and didn't stick with anything until the Kelvin movies. That got me back in, though Discovery nearly killed it, then Strange New Worlds and Lower Decks reeled me back in.
The Kelvin movies are not the Trekkiest Trek media but they aren't horrible movies.
Of course, nothing has yet to dethrone GalaxyQuest as the best Star Trek movie of all time.
a different timeline is a different timeline.
The JJ Adams were pretty well done. They had some rough edges but I think they captured the feel of the original series
No, they completely missed the point. That doesn't mean they were bad movies, they were entertaining, but they weren't star trek.
Here's what Star Trek has to say about that: