Can't we all just get along?
Can't we all just get along?
Inspired by gregorum's post concerning issues with startrek.website, which is ironic as lemmy.world is a bit glitchy right now and isn't letting me upload and had to use my alt here.
No.
You have been banned from the community: Risa@startrek.website
That place looks like the Q Continuum when Q wanted to unalive himself.
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Oh man, I got banned from ST.W this morning. The mod was on a banning spree, banning people for any reason at all, with dubious reasons cited.
Being a mod on a random low-traffic forum is such a tiny amount of power. I can't believe people can let it go to their head.
I believe the implication is a lot of the people that ran the reddit Star Trek communities were the ones that migrated to startrek.website. You can imagine the quality of average Redditors that choose to moderate the star trek subreddits.
Is it tho? Other than the com badges, every random screenshot I see of Discovery looks like a totally different sci-fi franchise. Especially when the characters are holding phasers.
It, like every series before or concurrently, approaches the universe differently. They all have changes in style, effects, base premise, and acting. It's Trek all the same. Doesn't mean we have to like it.
I can't say if I like it or hate it as a whole; haven't watched the show it yet (so please don't assume this or my previous statement are meant to disparage; that wasn't my intention). But I also haven't seen Strange New Worlds, which still aesthetically looks like Trek to me from images I have seen. The vibe and tone are way different. Discovery looks like it is trying to be dark and gritty, which isn't very trekky IMO. Which is one of the two main reasons I still haven't watched it (the other being Paramount+ fuckin' sucks)
You're kind of right. Discovery S1 was trying to be a dark, prestige drama. It felt a lot more like BSG than Trek. I haven't watched it since it premiered but I don't remember hating it, though I didn't love it either.
They fired their show runner pretty early, so there is another tone shift from S2 onward. The tone becomes a lot more like the new-Trek movies, and later much more like Strange New Worlds. Take a look at screenshots from Season 4 compared to Season 1 to see just how much it shifted stylistically.
The real issue isn't aesthetic or tonal, it's that the writing is excruciating.
How do those guys feel when they look in the mirror?
A bit conflicted, I imagine.
Which Trek was that?
I have never considered this, and now it will always be top of mind when that episode comes up.
Except the new movies.... That's not Star Trek
Sure it is. It may be flashier, have a larger budget, and largely miss the spirit of the series at that time... I had a point here somewhere.
Eh, pick and choose what bits you enjoy.
I liked the "hand held one person cross galaxy transporter that can move someone from Earth to Qo'noS that fundamentally changes all aspects of several galactic civilizations including the concept of space travel via starship, but is for some reason never used or mentioned again by anyone in the universe because Abrams clearly gave no fucks at all about the source material and just invented something so utterly 'not trek' because he wrote himself into a corner and didn't care about anything except the giant check he got."
That was my favorite part.
I liked them. They're the first time my wife got interested in Star Trek and an appreciation for sci-fi. It's very hard getting people into this stuff using old studio shows from the 20th century.
My first new Trek was TNG, which I enjoyed, along with DS9. Then, I just lost interest and didn't stick with anything until the Kelvin movies. That got me back in, though Discovery nearly killed it, then Strange New Worlds and Lower Decks reeled me back in.
The Kelvin movies are not the Trekkiest Trek media but they aren't horrible movies.
Of course, nothing has yet to dethrone GalaxyQuest as the best Star Trek movie of all time.
a different timeline is a different timeline.
Here's what Star Trek has to say about that:
The JJ Adams were pretty well done. They had some rough edges but I think they captured the feel of the original series
No, they completely missed the point. That doesn't mean they were bad movies, they were entertaining, but they weren't star trek.
Na fuck discovery specifically
I like how your comment is getting simultaneously up voted and down voted
And it's always Discovery when these posts are made, isn't it. Because Discovery never tried to be Star Trek in anything but name and when fans backlash, it's always the fans' fault, not the show's fault (Paramount/CBS astroturf the shit out of this online, imo). Picard sucks too for similar reasons, and I just said so on an internet forum. So what?
Maybe I wish these shows hadn't got made because they were a giant waste of resources, but at the end of the day, I'm still enjoying LD and SNW. But no, I can't tell the world what a pile of dogshit Discovery is, oh no, that makes me a shitty fan who deserves to be banned.
Speaking of which, let me tell you about /r/startrek - those assholes can fuck themselves and if startrek.website is infected with that particular mind virus, it can fuck itself too. Being intolerant of opinions about a stupid tv show is far worse than any particular opinion could possibly be.
This is the kind of thing that kept me out of the fandom for years. I have zero interest in hearing how bad you think Discovery or Enterprise or whatever is, but by God you and everyone else will be sure to explain it to everyone repeatedly. It's tiring seeing it time and time again. I've enjoyed the shows, you didn't, that's fine. At least you aren't belittling the people that do like it, but that happens, too.
It reminds me of the Simpsons fans and their weekly discussions about which was the last great season. Who cares? It's just an opinion. Can't we just enjoy things we like?
Look, this is a peaceful place where we're all entitled to our opinions, no matter how wrong.
But if Discovery is your favourite, you are a dog molester.
"Don't you see? He has black on one side and white on the other. That makes him inferior to me." (Paraphrase)
The original Star Trek is so good.
Me in the corner be like: I've never even watched Star Trek.
The new movies aren't star trek. It's bang bang pew lazers in space.
BUT that's fine, I just think it's such a waste that corporate did the space action shooting movie in the star trek universe instead of mass effect.
Sci-fi opera is Sci-fi opera.
they're all good to varying degrees and all Star Trek. Even the shitty lizard babies.
except Enterprise. that's cold garbage.
Sensors have detected alarmingly insufficient Faith of the Heart in this sector, Captain.
Enterprise has some exceptional episodes, like "Dear Doctor" which goes into the ethics of pre-warp interference.
When I found out there was a mirror universe two-parter, I IMMEDIATELY abandoned the conversation I was having to watch it. Fortunately, that conversation was with other Trek fans who understood and just laughed.
Points for the intro, too!
Dear doctor is one of those classic good eps of trek with absolutely terrible morality, much like every time Picard is like “these people have to die when we could easily help them because that’s what the universe wants”
no.
I think the last 2 seasons of enterprise has got to be the best seasons of all star trek series
