Lemmy.ml is acting as a proxy instance for Hexbear and should be defederated by any instances that defederate from Hexbear
Lemmy.ml is acting as a proxy instance for Hexbear and should be defederated by any instances that defederate from Hexbear
The mods of all the major communities there remove comments criticism Hexbear and usually follow it up with a ban. It's absolutely clear what is happening and it shouldn't be allowed to continue.
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Rules in question stated as a reason for removing the comments and temporary ban:
- No bigotry - including racism, sexism, ableism, homophobia, transphobia, or xenophobia. Code of Conduct.
- Be respectful, especially when disagreeing. Everyone should feel welcome here.
People can make their own conclusions.
Since when is calling out tankies racism, sexism, ableism, homophobia, transphobia, or xenophobia?
bigotry
ˈbɪɡətri
noun
obstinate or unreasonable attachment to a belief, opinion, or faction, in particular prejudice against a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group.If the person in question went after them simply because they are part of the group called 'tankies', the first rule was broken.
If the person in question was the first to throw out insults, the second rule was broken.If however the opposing group initiated the conflict, broke the same rules and was not punished, then the complaint here is fair and should be pursued in order to prevent an escalation of abuse.
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The nasty thing about bigotry is that by definition, it doesn't matter which group is being discriminated against. It accepts all discrimination under its label.
We generally don't consider something to be bigotry if it is directed at an ideology or behavior that people can control. Ability or disability, gender, religious/ethnic background, race, age, nationality, etc. are all factors that are beyond an individual's control.
Hate to Godwin this thread, but does that mean you can't attack Nazis as a group on lemmy.ml?
Of course not. They apply their rules subjectively.
For instance I got rule 1’d for saying “Fuck China” but I bet you, you wouldn’t get banned for saying “Fuck America” or “Fuck Israel” (fuck ‘em all imo).
I got rule 1 for posting an image of a yassified Patrick because I, a huge homo, may find discomfort in what gay memes I share, I guess!
If you have evidence of abuse and selective enforcement of the rules, show it in order to allow the admins to act on it.
Don't just lash out, document the exchange. Keep a record of the favouritism.
You can try, within your interpretation of their rules. And if you get banned for that, take pictures.
Understandable, however, generalities sometimes aren't enough in a court of law.
The difference between the spirit and letter of the law allows for interpretations that don't agree with each other. As we can see in this situation.And like it or not, this is a social court of law. Moderators and admins are judges who follow the rules and administer relative justice. You can either agree to give them the latitude to have their own interpretation of the rules as long as they stick to them, or you make concise rules that offer no room for discussion.
You might say each instance can have its own rules and that is true, but when those written rules are the same and defederation starts to happen because there is disagreement on the meaning of those words, the "in general" part is going to be the mainstay of how rules are enforced.
And, in general, that's part of what causes societies to fall.
They can write whatever bullshit they want as a reason. If the comment is gone, who's gonna check? Hell, who audits that at all?
Apparently, I have to audit it.
Really the best choice here. Hooray for open modlogs!