Lemmy.ml is acting as a proxy instance for Hexbear and should be defederated by any instances that defederate from Hexbear

Welcome to federation, where basically every instance is a proxy to all others.

Btw you are also free to block any instance yourself.

If they weren't such weasels and actually agrued back rather than just ban people like the spineless dimwit twats they are, I'd say the argument that they are easily filtered holds. But given they are just looking to propagate their shilling for Russia, trump (and they definitely do this) etc... fuck em!

I'm all for defederating Hexbear, but lemmy.ml is absolutely huge compared to Hexbear. To motivate the community to do that you'd need quite a bit of proof. Or at least something rather compelling. Do you have any proof of what you're referring to?

ml and Hexbear definitely don't have the same users. Their comments look very different. Hexbear is far more extreme in every way.

At some time we have to deal with this.

Keep in mind that we like Lemmy for being a federated platform.

I don't think there is enough awareness at this point. And the way we do it here, it has to come from the community. The people and mods have to become aware and make a decision to move their participation and the communities to another instance. I don't see a way around that. This will take some time, patience and effort.

I've started to do my part and unsubscribed from !Fediverse@lemmy.ml I'm now going through my list of subscriptions and find alternatives to other communities, so I don't contribute to the lemmy.ml communities being the larges ones any more.

[Edit: Wow. I've replaced 32 communities, some with substantially better alternatives, and I've found a few nice additional ones in the process. I still need recommendations for alternatives to: "Peertube", "Libre Culture", "Crawling the IndieWeb", "datahoarder", "Linux Phones", "postmarketOS", "osu!". I'm glad I did this. I think this is the way to make a change as a simple user. And now I'm not part of the problem anymore. It took me the better part of an hour, though.]

Moreover, it seems pretty clear to me that .ml intends to keep their finger on the scale as much as possible. Just saying "oh federation solves all the problems just block them" doesn't really fix the issue when there are a bunch of ways they can potentially run malicious versions of the code base to mess with how federation functions and hold onto their influence. For example, they are already refusing to federate their mod logs in some cases, and they've shown themselves to be completely shameless and hypocritical when it comes to banning any and all dissent. They simply cannot be trusted.

I personally believe that the broader fediverse should seriously consider taking serious steps to cut out .ml before they do something drastic to fuck it all up

Well, the discussion in this thread has convinced me to agree. It's also readily apparent that ml thinks any criticism against them is because they're leftist. They can't fathom that anyone could think they're an asshole or authoritarian apologist.

Seems like they werent such big fans of your post. It has been removed from their instance and your account was banned. Very interesting 🤔

Ah! That makes sense. I was on world news of Lemmy.ml and the comments where full of nutters and/or troll farms. It was like gote/gout (or whatever it was called), another Reddit alternative I've tried that seamed to fill Nazis kicked off Reddit. I unsubscribed and blocked.

Edit: Voat! That was it.

Lemmy.ml is a massive instance. I don't really know where are you posting there, probably in political communities and thus this reaction. But I follow lots of communities that are hosted on Lemmy.ml and they are just normal communities about their topics, normally technology. I certainly do not want to lose those communities of having to move my accounts around just because you had some problems with some particular people. Block them yourself and move on.

I don't get why there's always people in small places that are always doing their best to make them even smaller. Lots of goods things are lost this way. We must be clever in trying to preserve and make this good things thrive. And, believe me I've been in lots and lots and lots of small community driven projects, this kind of attitude is no good for them. You cannot take every small issue you have with some part of the project and say: "we do not work together anymore".

If there's an issue let's be constructive about it. But defederation of such a big instance with so many people and communities that just does not care about this drama... I don't see how that helps lemmy as a whole.

I suppose there's a lot of political ideology behind what's being ask for, and what's being said. So I do not expect convince OP of anything, as those hard as steel political beliefs are inmutable. But I hope sanity and a wish for making Lemmy a big project of the kind of social networks we want in the future will prevail. Even if that means sharing space with people you don't politically agree 100% about everything, because that's how a community works, different people working together.

I've been saying this for like 6 months.

.ml is just a filter for Hexbear and lemmygrade users to infiltrate the greater federated instances.

I block them

No. Defederating at the drop of a hat is stupid. You don't like it? Then you, YOU, block the instance.

Lemmy.ml is not only a massive instance, it is also the original and core lemmy instance. Widespread defederation would be like a nuclear bomb to the lemmy platform.

Some people have developed alternatives in the threadiverse like kbin or piefed. If lemmy.ml is truly too far aflight for users to tolerate, it seems likely that alternative platforms will fill in the gaps. For now, lemmy is still a thriving and growing platform.

So, you want people to miss out on cat pictures because your feelings were hurt?

Your stance is basically: "I had disagreements with/don't like users from an instance, please block an entire instance for all other users in the instance I'm in". Why are you making your problems everyone else's?

I predicted this when lemmygrad got defederated. I said that neoliberals were gonna identify some other instance as the "tankie instance" and start campaigning to defederate from it.

my face when i signed up for lemmy.ml 2 months ago for fun and now they're being called 5 different political terms

(their sign up verification test was "what is two plus two" back then)

Fuck .ml and hexbear. They can all go choke on razor wire.

Just don't join the communities you don't like.

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What’s funny is that Lemmy.ml users aren’t seeing this neolib nonsense because OP is temp. banned.

Rules in question stated as a reason for removing the comments and temporary ban:

1. No bigotry - including racism, sexism, ableism, homophobia, transphobia, or xenophobia. Code of Conduct.
2. Be respectful, especially when disagreeing. Everyone should feel welcome here.

People can make their own conclusions.