Does Cloudflare's 1.1.1.1 DNS Block Archive.is?
Does Cloudflare's 1.1.1.1 DNS Block Archive.is?
Short answer: no. Quite the opposite, actually — Archive.is is intentionally blocking 1.1.1.1 users. Here's why.
tl;dr: No. Quite the opposite, actually — Archive.is’s owner is intentionally blocking 1.1.1.1 users.
CloudFlare's CEO had this to say on HackerNews:
We don’t block archive.is or any other domain via 1.1.1.1. [...] Archive.is’s authoritative DNS servers return bad results to 1.1.1.1 when we query them. I’ve proposed we just fix it on our end but our team, quite rightly, said that too would violate the integrity of DNS and the privacy and security promises we made to our users when we launched the service. [...] The archive.is owner has explained that he returns bad results to us because we don’t pass along the EDNS subnet information. This information leaks information about a requester’s IP and, in turn, sacrifices the privacy of users.
I am mainly making this post so that admins/moderators at BeeHaw will consider using archive.org or ghostarchive.org links instead of archive.today links.
Because anyone using CloudFlare's DNS for privacy is being denied access to archive.today links.
Archive.is used to block people with Finnish IPs too, allegedly because of personal immigration issues.
I don't get the impression it's something anyone should ever rely on.
Because anyone using CloudFlare’s DNS for privacy is being denied access to archive.today links.
Yes, which makes Archive.is a terrible service... Because they don't get super fine details of where your connection is originating from they poison the DNS response they give cloudflare. Any site that weaponizes DNS then blames me for choosing to not allow them to do so... Fuck them.
It might be terrible for you but it's very handy for the rest of us.
If it's so bad, maybe just pay to bypass all the paywalls that the site removes from your way. Having your local ISPs details sent through is a small price to pay for the convenience.
If it’s so bad, maybe just pay to bypass all the paywalls that the site removes from your way
Or I can just use Firefox reader mode... which works for like 90% of the sites that are paywalled that I've ever visited.
But honestly I don't care what you say with an attitude like that. People who give up security for some fake semblance of "convenience" make the internet worse for everyone. I'm not sure how a company/website violating your rights is "handy" for you... but you do you.
it's very handy for the rest of us.
How is it more handy than Archive.org? You can submit URLs for archival just the same, and it doesn't require user tracking.
I've used Archive.is before,
but seeing this I won't anymore.EDIT: after some digging (see comment thread) and further consideration... I'm not sure anymore.
In what way is it "very handy for the rest of us"?
Time to add 1.1.1.1 to my list of DNS servers to use
In case you don't know, Cloudflare already controls a massive amount of websites, have access to their unencrypted traffic and are making the web inaccessible for people who use tor or noscript. They are a threat to the open web.
CloudFlare offers website admins the ability to have their sites directly available to Tor users but they have to activate the feature: https://developers.cloudflare.com/support/firewall/learn-more/understanding-cloudflare-tor-support-and-onion-routing/
Do you have an alternative that isn't google? Because google's DNS privacy policy is much worse.
I don't like cloudflare, but their DNS terms are relatively good, and they have my info anyway because as you say, they're everywhere. I don't think my not using their DNS will make any appreciable mark on their business, either.
I use NoScript and CloudFlare DNS works just fine for me. That said, I'm looking to switch due to privacy concerns after reading this thread.
Don’t forget the backup 1.0.0.1
what else is on your list?
I used to use Cloudflare and recently switched to NextDNS for more control.
This was driving me crazy.... at least I know why now.
That's really weird explanation on part of CF CEO, as just after DNS request you usually connect to the site which address you requested and site gets a lot more details including full IP address anyway.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19828702
Here's the full comment on HackerNews, the article quoting him only had the snippet. The larger comment makes more sense. Emphasis mine.
We don’t block archive.is or any other domain via 1.1.1.1. Doing so, we believe, would violate the integrity of DNS and the privacy and security promises we made to our users when we launched the service.
Archive.is’s authoritative DNS servers return bad results to 1.1.1.1 when we query them. I’ve proposed we just fix it on our end but our team, quite rightly, said that too would violate the integrity of DNS and the privacy and security promises we made to our users when we launched the service.
The archive.is owner has explained that he returns bad results to us because we don’t pass along the EDNS subnet information. This information leaks information about a requester’s IP and, in turn, sacrifices the privacy of users. This is especially problematic as we work to encrypt more DNS traffic since the request from Resolver to Authoritative DNS is typically unencrypted. We’re aware of real world examples where nationstate actors have monitored EDNS subnet information to track individuals, which was part of the motivation for the privacy and security policies of 1.1.1.1.
EDNS IP subsets can be used to better geolocate responses for services that use DNS-based load balancing. However, 1.1.1.1 is delivered across Cloudflare’s entire network that today spans 180 cities. We publish the geolocation information of the IPs that we query from. That allows any network with less density than we have to properly return DNS-targeted results. For a relatively small operator like archive.is, there would be no loss in geo load balancing fidelity relying on the location of the Cloudflare PoP in lieu of EDNS IP subnets.
We are working with the small number of networks with a higher network/ISP density than Cloudflare (e.g., Netflix, Facebook, Google/YouTube) to come up with an EDNS IP Subnet alternative that gets them the information they need for geolocation targeting without risking user privacy and security. Those conversations have been productive and are ongoing. If archive.is has suggestions along these lines, we’d be happy to consider them.
So it's really more about metadata related to the IP, like geolocation.
Interesting, thanks
We publish the geolocation information of the IPs that we query from. That allows any network with less density than we have to properly return DNS-targeted results.
Couldn't they just put that as the EDNS?
That . . . really looks like a game of DNS chicken. In Cloudflare's place, I'd just shrug, provide garbage EDNS data that meets the technical requirements (probably pointing at archive.is's own location), and move on, but they're apparently too wrapped up in their principles to blink first.
This is all disappointing, to say the least, but I'm convinced. I won't be using archive.today anymore.
And? My DNS provider shouldn't be leaking my information even if I immediately use the info they gave me to connect to the site.
To be fair, they use a dns-based load balancer / cdn, so they want to know your ip address so their dns server can geolocate you and reply with the nearest server's IP address. I guess this is probably easier to setup or less costly than using anycast like most cdn services.
Wouldn't it make a difference in cases where the nameserver and host are not the same entity?
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My solution is more complicated but doesn't require switching browsers
- I run a tor client on my home server in docker, the same place I keep my vpn access, torrenting, etc
- I run a socks proxy on my home server, that sends all requests through the tor network (and a different socks proxy for when I want to use the VPN)
- On my desktop and laptop, I use the FoxyProxy firefox extension (SwitchyOmega on Chrome). I setup the socks proxy (proxies) on it, using URL patterns.
- When I go to a .onion link, FoxyProxy uses the pattern, and sends the traffic over my tor socks proxy
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Beware that most of the fingerprinting happens through JavaScript in the browser, so accessing websites over Tor using the same browser, still allows to match the access to your browser's fingerprint. That's why the Tor Browser bundle tries to minimize the ability of websites to fingerprint it.
Additionally, running JavaScript from .onion sites, is kind of like playing the Russian roulette.
Test your DNS with some benchmark. I have learned this the hardway, when I swapped to for more private quad9 my internet became sometimes borderline unusable. If you are for some reason on windows you can use this one. For me openDNS was consistently the fastest to respond.
Thanks for sharing! The last time I picked nameservers was quite a while ago and I just went with fastest ping times :p
OpenDNS turned out to be the fastest for me.
Nice tool! Thanks.
Honestly I am sick and tired of people being shit, nearly every week we find out that someone that used to be respected and appreciated is actually a shit person, and it's exhausting,
I mean, this is the issue with purity tests. EVERYBODY, even you, even me, has something about them or some take that a large number of people will be offended by.
(But yeah, use something else in this case because why wouldn't you)
I'm using dnscrypt-proxy and I can open archive.is or archive.today perfectly
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Good. Hopefully this will discourage people from using Clownflare's DNS.
Clownflare’s DNS.
Such a strong argument for why people shouldn't. /s
… did you read the same article the rest of us did?