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How do i convince my brother privacy is important?

My brother seems to not care about his online privacy. He registers to services too easily without pondering, he’s not outraged we need a fucking account to use a vacuum cleaner, it seems he doesn’t care about all the potential risks of having videos of our indoors saved in a cloud. I don’t have strong arguments to convince him that privacy matters other than “if someone gets that, you could be in trouble” and “it’s like having someone watching you h24” and so on. How can i persuade him?

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  • I would refer to the recent FTC questions to "algorithmic pricing practices". Long story short it was about some companies are using browser data, accounts data, etc. for "smart" pricing. Your brother may not care about someone watching him but I don't think he wants to pay for the same goods more than others.

  • This will be something of a unhelpful and unpopular answer, by you probably can't.

    What would convince you to stop eating meat from factory farms? What would convince you to only buy electronics from completely ethically sourced companies? What would convince you to only eat healthy nutritional food? To exercise regularly? So on and so forth?

    There are many good and important, but inconvenient, things to do. But for most folks, the first step is wanting to. If he doesn't, it will be an uphill battle.

  • I still can't roll my head across the reason as to why a vaccum cleaner needs an account? What is next, account for using the faucet or toaster?

  • You can't. As more generations are born into a world where 24 hour a day surveillance, constant data tracking, and a monthly subscription for literally everything are the norms the expectation of any kind of privacy will sound like something from a history book.

    Soon it will seem odd to people that anyone wouldn't want every thought and action to be tracked and recorded by our corporate overlords. People who try to maintain any type of real privacy will be seen as misanthropic at best or highly suspicious at worst.

  • Honestly, it’s gonna be an uphill battle & maybe a futile one at that, depending on age. I share so many articles & what not w my parter and friends showing them that so and so is bad for your digital privacy. They respond like wow ok I should do something about this 😮…anyway, back to scrolling on Meta apps and buying stuff from ads that are fed to me. It’s not until they click that one wrong ad and compromise their financial info/identity data that they come back and ask what I was talking about that one time re: online privacy 😅😒

    Don’t even get me started on ppl who have cameras indoors. Honestly, it’s just really creepy to me that people go back and watch what others are doing throughout the day. It’s funny that some ppl in my circle are so ACAB & what not, yet when I share that their Ring cameras share access to law enforcement they’re like oh wow really? & that’s about it. 🤦🏼‍♀️

    I have had some success using this video to introduce ppl to some real life consequences: https://youtu.be/F78UdORll-Q I think what really helps drive it home is the escalation of tactics & real world ramifications of failing to understand how important privacy can be, not just for the individual, but for our communities/society.

    Good luck 🍀! I hope you can find a way to persuade him to take it a bit more seriously!

  • Just try to find out his old Xbox comments or wherever the heck he used to post on forums. Make them appear on the Google search with his name in quotes, and tell him that employers or his future date can easily spot his poor behaviour as a part of background check. Use Bing for better results. Google hides some result, but not Bing.

  • It's tough, I've been trying since about 1998...people are willingly blind.

    I have an associate who's a network security admin... And he just says "I want the convenience"... He's almost 50, with decades of experience. 🤦🏼‍♂️

    The best I have to offer is a video by data scientist:

    "Taking Control of Your Personal Data" by prof. Jennifer Golbeck, published by The Teaching Company, ISBN:978-1629978390

    It may be available at your local library as a DVD or streaming (through apps like Kanopy... I know, a streaming app through the library, with your information attached to the account...).

    I forget which episode, maybe #3, she talks about what data is collected, and it's worse than even my paranoid mind realized (I've also been in It since the early 90's, and thought I knew the data collection that was happening early on).

    I would have him watch it, he'd probably get bored (though she's a great presenter, knows how deep to go, and when). Maybe watch it yourself and pick out the pieces to show him.

  • Some time ago, concerned with toxicity on their World of Warcraft forums, Blizzard Entertainment decided to implement a "RealID" system which would attach the customer's real name from their records to their forum post. In a sort of "self immolation" protest to show Blizzard how absolutely terrible the idea was, myself and a few others posted our own names willingly before the new system was implemented. It was exactly as predictably bad as you might imagine and the plans were scrapped entirely.

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