Have you trained today?
Have you trained today?
Hello comrades! Friendly reminder that American leftists continue to be threatened by gun loving conservatives. You should know how to defend yourself and you should probably own a gun. Find an active SRA, John Brown Gun Club, or (if things are dire) pink pistols or other "apolitical" gun club.
I've been in the SRA for 4 years, it's not great, but I met comrades local to me. I've learned a lot from them and fash who post good firearms advice and I love to share that when I can.
Open for questions and I'll post more getting started stuff if this doesn't get banned.
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It has been shown repeatedly that owning a gun makes you less safe. It increases the likelihood that you will be the victim of a crime, homicide, or suicide (accidental or otherwise).
We need fewer guns not more.
The "victim of a crime, homicide" thing is likely just a correlation. If person is more likely to be in danger, they are more likely to have a gun.
I've seen some people posit that the Black Panther's armed patrols deterred police violence in their communities. On the other hand, I guess their leaders were eventually killed by the Feds. As a side effect, the Black Panthers also caused governments and the NRA to support gun control, lol.
Study after study has shown that having a gun in the home was linked with nearly three times higher odds that someone would be killed at home by a family member or intimate acquaintance.
more permissive gun laws are making people less safe. In the states with the weakest gun laws, gun deaths rose 46 percent from 2012 to 2020, compared with just a 7 percent increase in the states with the strongest gun laws over that same period. Source
I mean, that would obviously be the case. It depends on the person and personal circumstances. For some people (maybe even most), domestic violence is not a threat at all. The conclusion to the second article you linked is, "state-level firearm ownership rates are related to rates of domestic but not nondomestic firearm homicide."
I think it's probably not good that the increasing number of fascist-leaning people in the US are much more likely to be own guns than non-fascists. I'm very much pro gun-control, but until guns are banned, I think more leftist and liberals should own and know how to use guns if their situation permits.
It’s totally your right to believe that more leftists should own guns, I have no issue with that opinion, but the data we have says that those people will end up less safe overall. Of course it all depends on the person and their personal circumstances, but that’s not what big statistical studies are about, they’re about generalizations that can be applied to large populations of different types of people. And the best data we have shows that owning a gun makes you or someone you love three-times more likely to be killed by that gun.
I agree with you in that Joe Schmoe shouldn't be having guns in his home. That doesn't mean you can't support the existence of gun ranges and practice using guns! It may come in useful one day, even if you don't get to bring your gun home with you.
It may come in useful one day,
By that logic, I need to learn to fly helicopter. The odds are higher I'll solve something with a helicopter. As former infantry, I assert that guns don't solve any problems ever.
Well, I can fly a helicopter...
100% I’m all for gun safety training and gun ranges.
We need more groups like the Black Panthers to dissuade the police and the state from committing violence against people.
But, for Breonna Taylor's BF owning and operating a gun when police rwongly executed a No-Knock Illegal Warrant, the BF shooting at armed unknown unannounced "intruders" directly led to her death.
Police or the state or the judge were not at fault ( even though everything they did was illegal ) but it was the gun-defense by the BF that killed her.
:smh: when I hear how good the 2A is compared to the entire US constitution.
Point taken. I agree with you. I've always agreed with those facts.
But there's an armed an increasingly well trained and organized movement of would be brown shirts. They've repeatedly shown their willingness to escalate violence at protests and threaten violence towards LGBT events. They've demonstrated a willingness to act on the federal government with violence. And huge swathsof that population are police.
They have guns. I'm in a queer relationship. I'm a target. I have guns.
Completely fair. Since your eyes are wide open, I respect you and your choices. I know I can be too preachy sometimes, but I wish you the best. I genuinely hope you never need your gun.
Me too, comrade.
The ruling class would sure love you to have this opinion.
Have you considered they want you to have the opinion you currently have?
They profit off your fear.
They profit off your death.
The point is for them to fear us. The only reason you're not chained to a factory right this second is that our forefathers took up arms and fought a second Civil War in this nation. One they don't like to talk to you about in schools. The only reason any leftist movement has ever succeeded anywhere on this planet is by Force of Arms. The ruling class needs to know that we're capable of killing them all, because that's the soul and only reason we exist. Every single law is nothing without that to back it up.
As for profit, yeah they'll make money off it if they can, but you'll notice that these same people have no problem with taking away guns from us when it's convenient. You'll notice they don't stand up for gun rights when fascist thugs kick down doors and murder people. So while they will profit off me when they can, they know the real profit won't come from me but from the ruling class. So forgive me if I don't trust them to keep it fair at the end of the day. They'll happily take that trade off to disarm all the leftists.
That's a long winded way to say no.
You sound prepared to be pointed at an enemy but not prepared to understand who will be pointing you.
You sound like someone who's fallen for neoliberal propaganda and who basically is the perfect spokesman for the needs of capitalism.
You are displaying a poor ability to judge others political positions.
No, I just understand who benefits most from disarming leftists.
You clearly believe you understand that. Just as I understand the people who benefit from class infighting and alienating potential allies. Just as I understand the type of character that responds poorly to their ideas being challenged. Just as I understand the left has its own flavor of gravy seals.
I'm sorry what? You think that the working class fighting against the ruling class is good for the ruling class? Well that's a freaking statement. I reiterate you are a wonderful spokesman for capitalism.
So long as one other person on this earth is armed, your best have a gun too.