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Damn, full support for a genocide that is unpopular with their own electorate, and this is the thanks they get? If you're willing to lose due to principles, at least make them good principles.
It's not genocide, it's ethnic cleansing/stealing land. If all the Palestinians left for some place else, Israel would not pursue them to exterminate them, they'd just steal their land. It's Palestinian land that Israel is stealing. The Palestinians are just in the way.
You just described a genocide, like one of the plain text definitions of a genocide. Mass murdering a group of people to steal their land.
Doesn't matter that you've made up a hypothetical fantasy scenario where they aren't caged in cornered, but have free movement, it's still a genocide.
Oh, and they aren't free to leave, they are caged and cornered.
So you're wrong, and you're wrong again.
By what definition
Wiki
Genocide is violence that targets individuals because of their membership of a group and aims at the destruction of a people.[a][2]
Dictionary
the deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group.
Cambridge dictionary
genocide noun [ C or U ] UK /ˈdʒen.ə.saɪd/ US /ˈdʒen.ə.saɪd/ Add to word list the crime of intentionally destroying part or all of a national, ethnic, racial, or religious group, by killing people or by other methods:
So by what definition do you add ‘land’.
Cases of genocide brought before the ICJ aren't based on Merriam-Webster, or the Cambridge Dictionary...
They use ratified international agreements, such as the CPPCG
After you said ‘plain text definition’. Now you’ve moved the goal post to a treaty.
The United states holocaust museum has a pretty good 'plain text' definition of genocide, which perfectly captures what the Israelis are trying to do to the Palestinians as genocide.
The article also has some useful 'plain text' descriptions of ethnic cleansing, crimes against humanity, mass atrocities, mass killing and war crimes.
https://www.ushmm.org/genocide-prevention/learn-about-genocide-and-other-mass-atrocities/definitions
The astute reader will notice that the Israelis are actually guilty of all of these mass atrocities as part of their attempts to genocide the Palestinians.
Genocide is defined as any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial or religious group.
The acts are:
- Killing members of the group.
- Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group.
- Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part.
- Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group.
- Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
Except for perhaps the last point, there's no person that could argue that Israel has not perpetrated these acts against the Palestinians.
All that leaves then is the intent aspect of genocide.
The Israelis are very open about their desire to destroy Palestine. Law4palestine has a collection for quotes from current and former legislators which capture their genocidal intent:
If you don't feel like reading through that, here's an excellent summary of other evidence of Israel's genocidal intent from Jewish Currents:
https://jewishcurrents.org/a-textbook-case-of-genocide
*Edit: added the link to the legislators list. Left the decision makers list as it just serves to hammer the point home
Served. Absolutely served.
Yes, the plain text of the international treaties that define genocide...
Lmfao THAT'S GENOCIDE DOPEY
what's the point of this argument even if you're right? fuck what Israel is actually doing, I don't care what it's called. Fuck them
With all the good will in the world, my friend, you need to look up the definitions of genocide. Pursuing a population to exterminate then is NOT a prerequisite for genocide.
Out in the real world, Hamas committed genocide on October 7. Israel is in Gaza in an attempt to destroy Hamas and free the hostages that were taken on that day.
"Genocide Joe" is just a meme spread by internet cranks that's a very tiny minority of voters, insignificant compared to the number of voters that know the difference between a war and a genocide.
Haha Hamas did a one day genocide gang /s
fuck off smfh
Israel's "attempt to destroy Hamas" has killed tens of thousands of children. Stop apologising for genocide. You cunt.
Hamas committed genocide. Y'all are trying to use the bullshit "both sides" strategy on actual genocide to to give cover for the monsters in Hamas. You're only fooling yourselves with this bullshit, society is rightly ignoring you for your disgusting behavior to get internet points by exploiting the suffering of real people.
If you actually cared about Palestinians you'd be demanding Hamas release the hostages. But you don't want that to happen because you get sick entertainment from the suffering of Palestinians that Hamas provides to you by continuing with their war crimes. You're ghouls.
No they didn't. They committed atrocious war crimes, but not genocide. Israel committed genocide.
There's no both sides to this, only the oppressor, Israel, creating an environment where Hamas is inévitable.
If you really cared about Palestinians you'd stop dropping tower blocks on their children.
Hamas went into villages and everyone they couldn't carry back to their underground lairs they butchered. Murdered women and children. This wasn't people catching stray bullets from a firefight or getting some shrapnel from a nearby explosion. This was monsters beheading people and desecrating their corpses. Playing with the decapitated heads of their victims because they were told to by their superiors.
Any why? Because they weren't of the ethnicity and religious group that Hamas thinks should be living in the area.
That's genocide. The only reason the number killed wasn't hire was because Hamas didn't have the capability of killing more. The willingness to do it is most certainly there.
And this wasn't planned by some rogue splinter of Hamas. This was planned and executed by Yahya Sinwar, the current leader of Hamas. He and the rest of Hamas need to be brought to justice. If that's not possible they need to be killed. They are genocidal monsters and should not be allowed to continue existing on this planet.
To you the word genocide is just a propaganda tool. You don't know what it means to actually be against genocide. And because of your lack of concern over an actual genocide occurring, you've strayed to be on the same side as genocidal monsters. Making excuses for them, spreading their propaganda for them. Carrying water for genocidal monsters.
You are pro-genocide, whether you know it or not. You may feel that by being the first one to cast judgment on others makes you immune to being judged yourself. But it doesn't work that way. You are being judged for your support for the real genocidal monsters of the world.
Mate. I know what genocide means. It's not murder or slaughter, as bad as they are, it's:
the deliberate and organized destruction of a racial or ethnic group, either in whole or in large part, by a government or its agents.
Stray bullets and shrapnel? TWO HUNDRED THOUSAND DEAD, you fuck. One in TEN Palestinians in Gaza have been murdered by the Israeli state.
It's you who is being judged for your support of genocidal monsters. I'm not on here arguing for Hamas. Fuck Hamas. You are on here arguing for Israel.
Let's not forget they are trying to starve the people of Gaza to death.
you're a trash person and the world will be better when you're gone
Damn this guy is pro-genocide wtf
Hamas committed genocide on October 7. They should be destroyed for that crime. You're pro-genocide because you want Hamas given a pass for their genocide.
what's it like having other people chew your food for you
Who’s chewing for who now
Hamas official, Hamad Al-Regeb in an April 2023 sermon: He prayed for “annihilation” and “paralysis” of the Jews whom he described as filthy animals: “[Allah] transformed them into filthy, ugly animals like apes and pigs because of the injustice and evil they had brought about.” Al-Regeb also prayed for the ability to “get to the necks of the Jews.”
Hamas member, Ghazi Hamad on October 24, 2023: “Israel is a country that has no place on our land […] because it constitutes a security, military, and political catastrophe to the Arab and Islamic nation.” (October 24, 2023, LBC TV (Lebanon)). He also vowed to repeat the October 7 attacks “time and again until Israel is annihilated,” and expressing a desire to “sacrifice martyrs” (referring to Gazan civilians) for Hamas’ ideological aim of destroying Israel.
Hamas senior leader Khaled Mashal stated on October 19, 2023 that he views the current loss of civilian life in Gaza – brought about by Hamas' strategy of using human shields – as essential: “No nation is liberated without sacrifices... In all wars, there are some civilian victims. We are not responsible for them.” Hamas senior leader Ismail Haniyeh, commenting on the loss of civilian life in Gaza on October 26, 2023: “The blood of the women, children and elderly […] we are the ones who need this blood, so it awakens within us the revolutionary spirit.”
imagine putting so much effort into being wrong when that effort could go to learning
Making genocidal statements isn't the same thing as committing a genocide, ya dingus.
Buddy I don't think you know the meaning of genocide if you think Oct 7 was one. Or not happening now
Oh look. It's the inner monologue of every last centrist.
The IDF killed more Israeli civilians than Hamas did on that day. They do not care about their people when it comes to being hostages.
That is not known. It is known that the IDF shot at many of their civillians in Hamas captivity either with complete disregard for what they are shooting, or deliberately to avoid them being used as bargaining in hostage dealy.
The exact numbers however are unknown and before there can be an independent investigation, the extent will never be published. I wouldnt be suprised if the IDF and Israeli government have a good idea of the numbers, but they for sure will try to bury them.
I know theres no proof yet but to me, Hamas had good reason to keep their hostages alive, they also thought it would help keep themselves alive. Israel was the one who wanted the hostages dead rather than hostages.
Just based on incentives alone, not even considering the difference in firepower, I'd say its more likely hostages were killed by IDF than Hamas.