Scientists call fraud on supposed extraterrestrials presented to Mexican Congress
Scientists call fraud on supposed extraterrestrials presented to Mexican Congress
The specter of UFOs and little green men visited Mexico City as lawmakers heard testimony from researchers suggesting the possibility that extraterrestrials might exist.
Supposed aliens landed in Mexico’s Congress but there were no saucer-shaped UFOs hovering over the historic building or bright green invaders like those seen in Hollywood films.
The specter of little green men visited Mexico City as lawmakers heard testimony Tuesday from individuals suggesting the possibility that extraterrestrials might exist. The researchers hailed from Mexico, the United States, Japan and Brazil.
The session, unprecedented in the Mexican Congress, took place two months after a similar one before the U.S. Congress in which a former U.S. Air Force intelligence officer claimed his country has probably been aware of “non-human” activity since the 1930s.
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So is there just something in the water all throughout North America or what?
You see these kinds of claims everywhere. Maybe not aliens, mind. Before space and aliens were on everyone’s mind, people were abducted or fed on (among many other sordid things…) by vampires.
And demons and all sorts of other creatures.
Aliens are only the latest in a long list of boogeymen.
Fairies was more common than vampires. Being kidnapped by the fairies and even replaced with a changeling was a very common folk motif even into the 19th century.
they generally dont get to talk in front of congress
This is a mistake by congress
if my government pulled this shit id be livid
So is there just something in the water all throughout North America or what?
Oh yes, it's super suspicious that the most militarily advanced nation on the planet is the one that has the most "unknown" things flying in the air. Totally must be aliens.
A subcommittee of Congress.
It's definitely very US centric overall.
Reddit was (or rather still is) full of it this time around too and people in various subs called everyone who dismissed this obvious fraud (by the same fraudster that literally pulled the SAME fraud 5 years ago already) as being part of a CIA operation to cover this up.Yep this is just more of the demon haunted world becoming mainstream again.
Mostly the U.S. to be honest.
From the video "Data Source: https://nuforc.org/"
It's a US based website thats in English, of course non English speaking nations aren't going to be represented
Somehow, it seems, you managed to cause PipedLinkBot to repost your YouTube link instead of the Piped link, which then triggers PipedLinkBot to reply to itself infinitely. Maybe because the link is to an unlisted video?
I don't know how to get it to stop. Maybe a moderator can ban it temporarily.
It can't be stopped. It's self-sustaining now.
I reported the first comment, hopefully a mod spots it soon. Up to 35 replies
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Clearly the aliens are tampering with our water.
Nah that clearly is the lead, or the chemicals from that Ohio train or ....
That is almost a map of the anglosphere.
I've been wondering about that too. This dude was already busted for passing off dolls as aliens. The article said they aren't even sure that he's made new dolls since then. So maybe this is just an opportunist that saw renewed interest.
More generally though, there's sort of a drumbeat of alien news from official sources. Like it's a psyop, but I don't know why. Maybe to give the Q-susceptible types something more controlled to fantasize about? Aliens are actually in contact and the govt wants to soften the blow? They made some badass weapon and want a cover story?
Guerrilla marketing for another X-Files reboot?
There is a a lot of legitimate inquiry occurring and as someone who does genuinely want answers, I am disappointed but not surprised that people like this guy are coming out of the woodwork and discrediting the work that has been done.
I truly believe that the renewed interest and news is because this topic has gotten too big to keep covering up. There are whistleblowers, trained fighter pilots, and commercial airline pilots coming forward and speaking to the legitimacy of UAPs. There is compelling civilian video because everyone now has a good camera in their pocket.
They have been captured on video that has been officially released by the Pentagon, including a video of a silver orb bearing resemblance to the “Foo fighter” UAP that pilots have been reporting since the Second World War. They are being discussed in official memos to Canada’s Prime Minister after our Defence Minister was clear that what was shot down was an object, not a balloon. The memo states that there is a risk that the object could be found by indigenous hunters - if it’s a weather balloon or something innocuous why would they care? They have been observed by US navy fighter pilots entering and exiting the ocean.
Look, I understand that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, but we’re not even allowing broad, legitimate discourse about this topic without mockery and eye brow raising. How will we ever get to the bottom of what is happening if we can’t even seriously discuss it? Why would hundreds of trained pilots lie about what they have seen? It’s not just one guy. And it seems like it has been happening for a LONG time.
The questions I want answers to:
- How long has the military/five-eyes really been tracking this phenomena.
- Do we have any idea where they come from or what they are.
- Have we recovered any craft.
However, at this point I would even accept an official saying yes they’re real and it’s not human or no here’s what they are with a thorough explanation but we don’t even get that much.
we’re not even allowing broad, legitimate discourse about this topic without mockery and eye brow raising.
Blame the decades (over a century?) of grifters taking advantage of people's gullibility.
It doesn't help that there is not a single solid proof, or that top secret information is not just available to anyone with a clearance, but only on a "need to know" basis. If there was actual proof, and there was an actual aircraft, or even actual contact... what would you do with that knowledge? Do you "need" to know, or just "want" to know?
As far as I see, there are three possible scenarios:
- There is nothing, it's just a bunch of sensor glitches, visual illusions, and imagination from people who want to believe.
- There are no ETs, just advanced technology, that no country wants to reveal before using it by surprise in the next war.
- There are ETs, the technology is millennia more advanced than ours, for all intents and purposes it looks like magic, we can't reverse-engineer it, or stop it, or even properly detect it, and we may not even be the ones deciding who gets to know.
Which one would you want to believe?
I've personally known people whose accounts point to scenario 3... even I have personally seen things that have been hard to explain... but without proof, they could all be just a mix of 1 and 2.
Or a glitch in the Matrix 🤷
I think people deserve to know if they have been gaslit by the government on this issue since the 1940s. We’re moving past a patriarchal society of blind deference to everything the government says and they have lied about many government programs in the past that have caused harm to citizens (LSD experiments in Canada as one relevant to my government).
I’m saying this as someone who believes in science and vaccines, however, I also grew up during the Iraq War and the thinly veiled excuses that the US made for that undertaking. I have a healthy distrust of the government, and I also pay taxes and deserve to know what I’m funding and whether we’re achieving intended results. There’s a lot of money and a lot of need.
I think what the whistleblowers and former government military personnel are alleging is compelling, especially if black programs funnelling money to private contractors are involved.
And from a human perspective, yeah I do want to know if there’s more to our existence because it just might change how I choose to live my life.
I don’t see the harm of the government saying: these videos are advanced technology. Why would they even release the videos of their own advanced technology and pretend they don’t know what it is? Wouldn’t it be tipping off an adversary to even show the video?
I think we’re in a weird space where if they don’t know what they are and they come from a foreign military then we’re in trouble (however, this has been going on for decades). If that’s the case then yeah make that case to the public and I’d want to fund the hell out of it.
Otherwise if we suspect that they’re completely innocuous and there’s a scientific or mundane explanation why not make fighter jet radar data available to scientists with clearance so they can study it? Why not go on the record and refute each and every video and claim? Why not make public the reports that are taken from fighter pilot sightings? Or even extraneous data like the number of military and civilian sightings that have been tracked?
So they break our understanding of physics, but we are able to shoot them down?
And they have been showing themselves, just out of sight, for decades? Without any other effects?
If they're aliens capable of interstellar travel, then they really suck at utilizing their technology, which would be far far more advanced than ours. Or they're doing this intentionally, which also would make no sense. Other explanations are far simpler and more plausible.
The reason people mock this is because people go to the most outrageous conclusions before anything more reasonable, without sufficient proof to rule out simpler explanations. You know, a process which every other field of science uses.
Both things can be true - it could break physics and we can shoot them. Or there might be different types. We don’t know until we take it seriously.
If you pay close attention, I have never once in this thread alleged that they are aliens or interstellar. I don’t think that is a fruitful starting point.
But yes, there have been sightings in our skies for decades. Why would hundreds of people at risk of great personal reputations damage over decades lie about what they see? What is the personal gain?
This is exactly what I’m trying to do - discuss the topic rationally because the stunt this guy pulled is a great disservice to the progress that has been made. First we need to account for what is actually known by experts, and we’ll never get there if people come to the table mocking it before any work is done.
You haven't said they are aliens directly, just heavily implied it. One can clearly read that out from your comments.
I also hate the amount of mockery around the topic. We have very credible accounts from high ranking officials of UAPs that break the laws of physics.
None of the credible sources mention aliens. They simply mention the UAPs and that we do not know who or what they are being controlled by. That sounds like a sensible place to start.
This has the potential to be one of the biggest discoveries of our entire history, and people seem more willing to mock and dismiss the topic, rather than actually having a serious conversation and investigating the phenomenon.
I do wonder if people have a fairly closed world view and refuse to intellectually engage with the topic as the monumental discovery it could be because it could change everything about our understanding of the universe, physics, earth and our place in it all.
Some people would rather stick their heads in the sand than question their current perspective.
If we can figure this out it is the largest scientific discovery of our time on par or surpassing past discoveries like gravity, relativity, the earth is spherical/not flat etc.
Just like you mentioned, I discuss it with friends by saying listen we have to start with the basic evidence on the table. These core observations that are brought up and corroborated by Pentagon-originating video evidence and professionals and move outward from there. Because even the hard evidence that has been presented by professionals at this point is fascinating!
Lead? Microplastics? Dihydrogen monoxide...?
You keep that dihydrogen monoxide out of my pure water! That is an INDUSTRIAL STRENGTH SOLVENT!
Maybe the second most famous "alien ship found by government" story is from Italy. Bet you didn't know that Italy sided with Germany as part of an agreement to hand over a recovered craft to the Nazis.