What if I told you....

Awhile ago I saw post about having fun arguing with magats about going libertarian. Pretend to lump Trump in with then Biden now Kamala, as old Washington big wigs. Wanting to be free of big govt, ma freedoms, whatever. They were never gonna vote Democrat, but maybe stop em from voting Trump?

I have discussed politics with actual magats maybe 3 or 4 times since then. I think one actually thought about it. Pretty sure I saved America.

What if I told you... Harris needs to do more positive things to get voters to want to vote for her.

If we stopped constantly arguing logic and reason to people that clearly have none, and focused on discussions of how we improve the country through governance and policy, we could actually convert some of them. But If i were to imagine life as a Trumper all I would see is hatred towards me everywhere, why the fuck would I listen to people insulting me?

Not that this would happen because at the end of the day, both sides of the aisles have their fair share of people whose political ideology is just to regurgitate what their own social circles reinforce while simultaneously be unable to withstand some minor pushback on topics and then confirming to the other that they dont know what theyre talking about. And the media will constantly put a megaphone up to this ignorant minority so the other side can confirm to themselves how dumb that side is.

Shit half the time I try to make the point that most people voting for trump are doing so because of their social circles influence on them, and that we should try and treat them with decency if we ever want to change their minds, and I get downvoted into the floor and hear a bunch of "centrist bad" nonsense. Political parties are just sports teams to many at the end of the day, they were raised to follow one and think the other one sucks, and most involved don't realize how brainwashed they are that they now see the other half of the country as a hostile foreign entity.

Meanwhile capitalists rob us all blind and continue to spread this narrative that we should fight each other, so we dont unite against them.

their value system is completely opposed to ours. there is no point in any kind of good faith debate. they want in groups and out groups. they cannot be reasoned with. drop that entire concept and ask yourself what comes next if the fate of the world hangs in the balance.

My favourite is telling a trumper I don’t fucking care what they think.

Letting the air out of their sails is more entertaining when it’s become obvious they are living for the drama of controversy and feeling their opinion matters so much to someone else than the message itself.

what do you mean "ours", did you mean "mine"? I don't know you and I'm not associated to any group except my family

So the main reason to vote for her is "I am not Trump". Is that it? I don't think that sound that good.

She does not exhibit leadership qualities. It's going to be preaching to the converted, because only the converted could be so blind to her failings.

What if I told you: No Shit

What if I told you... return2ozma is part of the problem. They continuously post negative articles about Harris and very little negatives about Trump...

Fun Fact: Despite near unanimous claims by voters to the contrary, the data bears out that negative campaigning is far more productive than espousing the positives of your own candidate.

let me know when she stops supporting a genocide, promises to retain Ms Khan, and actually has detailed plans for inflation/health care and then i'll care.

Has she shown regret as a proponent of profits in the California prison system at the expense of humanity?

Very true, but much more difficult because Harris actually has to commit to something positive. It's easier for the astroturfers to just throw dirt at Trump.

Yes, it's important to stop Trump. But don't fool yourself into thinking that Harris has your best interests at heart. She sees the people as a tool she must convince to get into a position of power. Not as someone who she should serve.