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  • Oh boy.

    First of all, form good "sleep hygiene" habits, read: https://health.arizona.edu/sites/default/files/data/Sleep%20Hygiene.pdf

    A lot of it is obvious, like go to bed at the same time every night (set a timer to get yourself reliable at first!), and wake up at the same time every morning. Give yourself more "sleep opportunity" than the hours you want to sleep so you actually get enough sleep (e.g. if you want to sleep 8 hours, maybe give yourself 10 hours in bed with the lights out).

    Don't use screens several hours before bed, don't do anything but sleep in your bed, and wind-down before bed with something like reading a book (again, in a chair in another room, not in your bed).

    Now for more advanced tips I've learned from dealing with insomnia:

    A problem I have sometimes had is that tasks like meditation can actually cause me to become more alert, and it turns out meditation actually does cause insomnia.

    When struggling with meditation related insomnia, I got lots of practice navigating falling asleep.

    What I found most helpful was rather than focusing on an object in a meditation like way, to instead allow mind-wandering and rumination and to try to cultivate a lack of metacognitive awareness about that rumination. Basically, the opposite of meditation. Meditators will hopefully know what I mean by this - but basically, don't pay too much attention to what you are thinking, just get absorbed into the mind-wandering.

    Sometimes if the mind-wandering leads to thoughts or feelings that are "strong" or engaging enough it can prevent me from sleeping, like when I'm anxious or my mind is preparing or rehearsing for an important event or the next day. In that case, a little bit of meta-awareness can be helpful to alert you to the need to redirect your rumination to something actively boring or benign.

    In the most extreme instances, I visualize myself working in a factory performing a repetitive motion like pulling a level to operate a press. I essentially constantly try to pay attention to that mundane task and ensure that it remains mundane / uninteresting - just keep pulling the lever and keep paying attention to that task. This is akin to the counting sheep method, but I always found counting sheep too interesting or engaging of a task.

    After hours of boredom I usually lose consciousness.

    Sometimes I threaten myself with getting out of bed, and often in response I feel a resistance and that makes me realize how tired I actually am, and I threaten myself with doing something boring like sitting in a chair and staring at a wall. Sometimes that is enough to kick me out of my energized thinking into a milder / more boring and repetitive mind-wandering that leads to dreams and unconsciousness.

    Sometimes I actually do have to get out of bed and do something, often I will stretch and if I'm not feeling overwhelmed with sleep that way, I find it helpful to exhaust myself with forearm planks - just hold until you can't anymore (you can also use a timer for 30 seconds or 60 seconds, whatever pushes you past comfort but not all the way to failure or injury), maybe try this a couple times. You will sweat and it's miserable the whole time, and you will be tired and want to crawl back into bed. That has helped me fall asleep really well before, and sometimes I think it's because the blood also gets into my muscles and somehow this helps me relax.

    Anyway, hope this helps!

  • Lately, I've been taking melatonin gummies about an hour before I want to go to bed. They don't really make me sleepy, but they make falling asleep easier (something I've always struggled with). I'll usually take another one when I actually go to bed (unless they're time time-release kind which I can't always find).

    • I try to go easy on those, as I vaguely recall reading that frequently taking melatonin for long periods of time can have some unpleasant effects, but yeah, I finally picked some up, and I've used them on rare occasions when I absolutely cannot get to sleep or when my sleep cycle is way out of whack, and they definitely do have an impact.

      I try to keep the room dark. Don't drink caffine near bedtime. I have one of those blackout masks to really get rid of any light if necessary. Avoid thinking about anything interesting or with emotional impact. Get some exercise prior to going to sleep. I've rarely had problems with sounds keeping me awake, but I have some silicone ear plugs for the very rare times that that comes up.

      • Yeah, I try to only use them sparingly. If for no other reason than not wanting to build up tolerance or dependency on them. That said, I probably have been taking them more often that I should.

  • No caffeine after 2

    Take magnesium glycinate and threonate and hour or so before bed (threonate helps me sleep but it can cause vivid dreams)

    Make sure you're comfortable in the bed both in terms of bed firmness/softness and temperature

    Use a fan to regulate temperature and create white noise

    Create a regular bedtime ritual (brush, floss, skincare, etc) and stick to it

    Chamomile tea can help relax

    I've also found drinking some cool/cold water right before attempting to sleep can help, because your body temperature drops as you go to sleep. I'm also a hot sleeper, so that also helps to cool down my core.

    Make a regular sleep schedule and stick to it as much as possible

    Write down any persistent thoughts, journal emotions, or create a to-do list from whatever might be running through your mind. Getting that out of my head and onto paper helps to alleviate any anxiety and can help stop my brain from planning and running amok while I'm lying there.

    I turn off all the lights and only use some color-changing LED lights an hour or so before bed. White lights are too bright and can keep me from sleeping. Red is darker, yet still bright enough to see where I'm walking. Red lights are also best for night vision, if you go stargazing, make sure you have red flashlights, because white light will destroy your night vision for 20 minutes or so.

    I also use a screen dimming app on my phone to bring the brightness down lower than the brightness setting will allow. On Apple devices, this is a regular setting in accessibility called "Reduce White Point". Android still hasn't figured out how to mimic that well and the best app I've found is Screen Dimmer Plus. It basically puts a Grey layer over whatever images show up on your phone and will mess with screenshots taken and it doesn't change anything with the top 1/4" of the screen. The Reduce White Point setting on ios doesn't mess with screenshots and changes the brightness for the whole screen. It's one of the big disappointments I've had with android.

    Get Blackout curtains to block light from the windows

    Don't exercise too close to bed. I also can't take showers or baths too close to bed because they will disrupt my sleep.

    Slow breathing and closing your eyes will lying in bed can help if you're restless. I've also found that if I'm having a particularly hard time falling asleep that getting out of bed and reading a book or fiction story before returning to bed can help.

    Choose something light and calming to watch as the last thing before you turn off your TV. Nature documentaries like Planet Earth or a light comedy can help you unwind and be a little more calm than watching an action, horror, or drama movie/TV show.

    Another thing I've read about if you're restless is to work your way uo your body squeezing your muscles for a few seconds. So start with your feet and flex them a couple times for a couple seconds, then go uo to your calves, all the way up to your eyes. The flex and release is supposed to help release any muscles that are still clenching from the day.

    Spending time in nature during the day is supposed to help calm the mind and body, so finding 20-30 minutes to walk around a park could be helpful.

    Don't stress out about not falling asleep. Lying there with your eyes closed with relaxing breaths is supposed to be restful for the body

    Potassium might help you relax and I think it's also supposed to help with blood pressure if you've been consuming too much sodium. Not 100% sure on that, but I figure getting blood pressure under control can help you get better quality sleep.

  • One thing I heard from somewhere is to pick a random word. Then for each letter in it, think of a random animal. Then pick another random word and repeat.

    Supposedly this mimics the brain activity during sleep and dreaming, which tricks your brain into actually sleeping. No idea if it's effective or not though.

    • I do something a bit like this. I'll pick a theme (animals, food, places, etc) and then go through the alphabet one letter at a time and something from the theme that starts with that letter. Alternatively, I'll pick a letter and just think of as many different words as I can that start with that letter. Those work for me most of the time!

  • I'm just someone on the internet, take everything with a grain of salt.


    Only go to sleep when you really intent to. No scrolling on your phone in the bed, no reading books,...

    The moment you lay/sit down, you intent to sleep.

    If it doesn't work: get up, do something else, try again later.


    Isolate factors that could keep you awake like sugar, caffeine, alkohol,... Even a handfull of gummies could influence when you fall asleep.

    Check on air-quality, room temperature and moisture, dryness of bedding, room -brightness, -light sources, noice levels.

    Try out keeping a journal of these things, as well as your mental state and reflect on your sleep in the morning.

    If available, ask your SO or room-mate about their sleep, that's a great way to identify external influences.


    If your data stays inconsistent, ask a doctor, as there might be medical conditions influencing you falling asleep, ike high blood pressure or hormone imbalances.

  • Working out helps a bunch.

    Medication:

    Diphenhydramine 50mg.

    Then diphenhydramine + Melatonin (20mg) (if I want to be dead asleep but will be groggy in the morning. Only used as last resort).

    • Melatonin (20mg)

      That's a lot of melatonin for one dose.

      kagis

      https://www.sleepfoundation.org/melatonin/melatonin-dosage-how-much-should-you-take

      Melatonin Dosage: How Much Should You Take

      Key Takeaways

      • Most people take 1 to 5 milligrams of melatonin 30 minutes before bed.
      • Experts recommend taking no more than 10 milligrams at a time.
      • Melatonin overdose is on the rise. Consult a doctor before giving melatonin to children.
      • Yeah, it works for me. That was after trial and error. I used to take it daily when I had really bad sleep issues. Now it's only if I want 100% sure thing to be dead asleep. Probably why I get groggy from it the next day.

  • Exercise. If you aren’t physically tired you’ll have a hard time falling asleep. Most people with physical jobs have no problem sleeping.

  • routines routines routines. same bedtime, same wake up time. if you establish a routine, it should take 14 days to kick in

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