And Luke is not a Gary stu. He's a Padawan who happened to have an emotional connection to the bad guy he could leverage. If you actually watch the OT you realize that Luke is straight bad at being a Jedi.
Rey is the most perfect person ever who don't need no Jedi master to ruin her yass girl vibe.
I could write a thesis on why only people with brain rot compare the two.
From that very series: Walter White vs Skyler White. The public perception of both was quite disperate, considering one was a housewife and the other was a murderous, aspiring drug lord.
A lot of female characters all do he same thing; The protagonist men are getting up to shenanigans and their loved ones are telling them to stop it for the sake of love and / or responsibility. The thing is that as the audience we're entirely there for the shenanigans because that's there the action or tension takes place.
Suddenly you have a character that is telling the protagonist to refuse the call to adventure which results in delaying the excitement, it's a recipe that's makes the audience associate the character with boring parts of the show, especially in breaking bad where the relationship is depicted as an old marriage with no romance left, nobody is rooting for it.
I'm very aware of the trope. That doesn't justify the level of disdain shown in comments like the one jackoneill so eloquently shared on this very thread.
I wouldn't say that's a more apt comparison since Hank got much more of a redemption arc (though he admittedly wasn't "bad" to start, just insufferable) than Skylar did. Walt willfully went all out in his bad choices while Skylar was mostly just left to react to his bs, but he is still viewed more favorably than she is.
Considering the long, ongoing history of female characters (and real women, to be frank) being derided or dismissed for any number of "flaws" not held against their male counterparts, I don't think that generous, context-less assumption is really worth merit.
What do you mean? I thought Skyler was quite an empowered character. In all the moments were the traditional wife character would have fallen for her husband's lies, she catches on pretty quick.
People love flawed male characters and are willing to forgive them almost all missteps, but don’t treat female characters with flaws the same way.
To keep with the show the meme originates from: Think Walter white, the viewer is suckered into his thinking and supports most of his shit until he goes really off the rails. During rewatches of the show it is much more obvious that Walt is a piece of shit who can’t leave well enough alone out of personal pride.
Meanwhile skyler is almost universally hated during the first watch. That whore who fucked Ted and keeps messing up Walt’s plans? Fuck her.
And then you watch it again and realize she’s just a normal woman trying to cope with an egomaniac husband and to keep her kids safe from his crime escapades.
The rewatch feeling is spot on. Walt was completely passive when we meet him and then he becomes.a gigantic, abusive asshole. It's tough to watch again because he destroys so much.
It's annoying how many people are like "she treated him like a child" and then use that to justify what he does. Which includes sexual assault, murder, gaslighting, emotional manipulation, oh and making drugs.
I don't tend to find this sentiment, but then again I don't go read up on social networks and chat with friends to determine the sentiment I should have about a character.
What I do tend to find is that people tend to get nitpicky due to biases they don't readily admit they have, and this might cause the impression perceived in this meme. But those same people often don't even want to recognize the flaws of the characters who make bad decisions when they root for them.