Muskrat doesn't realize how extremely unpopular he is in Europe
Muskrat doesn't realize how extremely unpopular he is in Europe
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from another post comment somewhere
Make
Elon
Go
Away
now that's a MEGA I agree with
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I also like the former Megaupload.
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As much as we are joking about him, please do NOT underestimate the power that this shit stain has. People underestimated trump twice and twice we ended up with trump presidencies
There are a lot of vaporware brain idiots out there that lap up every word he says
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Yeah unfortunately, just look at the polls for e.g. Germany, I'm pretty sure Muskrat had its influence there: https://www.politico.eu/europe-poll-of-polls/germany/
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Yeah but all that and other consumer protections make it harder for him and the other robber barons to get even more filthy rich off of us.
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You're a rich nation ready to be plundered. They will be coming. Media control first. Then buying elections.
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I hadn't thought of that. Maybe this all started with Tesla workers in Sweden protesting and Musk is holding a grudge.
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I think he does know how unpopular he is in europe and he's just doing putin's will by intentionally stoking division between the US and its major allies.
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No. He's trying to get right wing extremists into power, because they won't stand in his way if he treats workers and nature as his property.
He got reigned in by unions, environmental activists, agencies and society in general when he tried to ignore every law and regulation he could find at his Berlin gigafactory. That pissed him off big time and it's not the only time it happened.
He's a petty little man with too much money.
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It's insane to me that one of the richest people in the world, and still making more every second, cares so much about new ways to hurt people so he can continue to make even more.
Because of this, I feel that it has more to do with gaining power over making money. He appears to be at the stage where he just wants to control everything and absolutely believes he is entitled to do so. At this point, it probably doesn't even cost that much to do whatever he wants, so why not take it as far as everyone will let him.
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There's been those huge strikes in Sweden against him by the unions too.
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they won’t stand in his way if he treats workers and nature as his property.
Unfortunately it's not just him. The reason Elon supports right wing populism in europe is so that him and all the other US oligarchs can buy out all the gains european people made as a result of mass movements and the threat of the spread of communism. Public health services, public transport services, environmental protections, consumer protections, paid holidays, disability pay... Anything that is worth anything will be sold off to the US oligarchs for pennies on the dollar while the top guys in AfD, NF, FdI, Reform UK etc. get their cut. Any and all safeguards standing against the looting will be removed and if any single country tries to resist, they will be drowned under the weight of tariffs.
This is of course nothing new, US and European countries have done exactly this to countless countries on the global south throughout the 20th century. What's new is the crosshairs of the big dog is now turned on europe.
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stoking division
get right wing extremists into power
The two are certainly not mutually exclusive.
But I don't think elon going on about some BS is gonna do that much to embolden already surging russian-backed right wing groups in europe. I think eroding us-eu relations is likely to be the stronger impact.
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It is quite a commonly repeating story of American companies moving to Europe and bringing American work practices, only for it all to fail miserably and them having to adopt European work practices or close shop.
People in Europe are just not indoctrinated into the same view of what is "normal and how things are" as Americans so the levels of worker exploitation in America are seen as abusive and fought hard in Europe were Unions are still pretty strong.
As far as I've seen the only places were American work practices manage slip through pretty much unchallenged is totally unspecialized work in whole new work domains in countries which have copied mechanism for insecure piece-work from the US, so for example things like meal delivery and Uber drivers, and even there we see many countries in Europe starting to crack-down on it, for example by forcing Uber to actually employ its drivers.
Things have slid back in in Europe when it comes to worker rights and what people expect from the State in terms of taking care of the needs of Citizens, but nowhere as much as the US.
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Frankly, the more Europe moves away from the US, the less influence the US has in Europe, hence the more likely it is for Europe to retain at least some of its relative prosperity for the many as the American Empire reaches its end of life and is replaced by another one.
Most of the problems Europe has come from copying shit from the American Oligarchy and adopting US Legislation via things like international trade treaties and trade organisations (from ultra-long Copyright periods that completelly break the social contract of Copyright and supra-national Trade Tribunals to the Greed Is Good ideology and the replacement of traditional fairness by wealth-equalization Leftwing thinking with "let's not talk about wealth" pseudo-Equality of Liberalism).
Also, it's well time that Europe stops being dependent on military power of the (still) greatest military power in the World not least because it only lasts as long as there is goodwill from the US side and that's unlikely to survive the death throws of America as an Empire - just look at the decay of the last great Empire - Britain - during the late 19th and early 20th century to see how bad things can get for those dependent on its goodwill.
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I also think that many Europeans are pessimistic about the future. The reason for this is Musk, Trump and their cronies. It is the lingering concern that things could get as bad in Europe as they are in the US.
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Can he go fuck himself, I like sending my kids to school without body armor and I like free healthcare
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Im pretty sure he doesn't care, didnt he tell some important EU figure literally to go fuck themselves? He isn't concerned with the opinions of the EU because they're globalist homos to him, thats why he's throwing his support behind AFD, BRUV, and some of these other regarded anti-EU, pro-Russian, pro-kleptocrat groups. to help dismantle the EU for Daddy Vlad
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As fascism gains traction and politicians generally speaking lose popularity, someone with as much clout as Elon who tells a ranking EU member to fuck themselves is only going to build their base as a result.
thats why he’s throwing his support behind AFD, BRUV, and some of these other regarded anti-EU, pro-Russian, pro-kleptocrat groups
He's throwing his weight behind them because (a) he has nothing left to gain from the liberal establishment and (b) these underdogs are far more radical and more pliant, so if they win he'll reap more concessions than from their liberal opposition.
The desire to put every foul turn in world events on Daddy Vladdy is as much a part of the problem as Elon himself. NATO residents cannot accept that these calls for fascism are coming from inside the house. Elon can't just be fascist and he can't be pandering to domestic strains of fascism. They all have to be the consequence of some (comically inept and chronically understaffed) Evil Outsider.
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We haven't forgotten that time he used Starlink to benefit Russia over Ukraine, around the time he was cosying up to Putin.
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The more you guys give this man media attention in this context the stronger he will become. The parties will choose sides and it will make him a defacto leader in which ever side he ends up on.
I'm not sure how to handle this, but in the US trump and elon got so big BECAUSE liberals hated them so much. They are like cheer leaders for assholes.
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Unfortunately none of us here can control what the media puts out.
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Literally no one in Europe thinks "europe is bad" — I've never heard anyone in europe say this. Ever.
What could that even mean? European continent is bad? Europeans think in regions and countries not whole-ass continents which are very much arbitrary. Maybe he meant European Union? 0 IQ take.
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Wtf? The entire right wing in Europe likes him, for example... -78%... they should ask more people and not all from one political group...
He's also rigging elections here in Europe and right now he's backing the AfD.
Musk is a great danger for Europe, especially because of his popularity, otherwise he wouldn't have any influence with the voters... Talking up this danger that Musk doesn't exist is exactly the worst thing you can do.
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He's quite popular on lemmy though, there's not a single day he isn't on the frontpage
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in other words please dont spread to Europe, stay beneign if possible
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Usually trends tend to spread from America to Europe, sooner or later. McDonalds, movies, series, software, obesity, ridiculously large pick-up trucks, fascism. Okay, the latter was first exported to the States, like pizza, but it now returns in full swing.
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Nowadays very few people in this side of the pond think Europe is worst than the US, and I'm actually living in a country which is pretty much at the tail of the EU wealthwise and hearing that viewpoint from people who old enough and from humble enough origins to have lived in actual misery when this country was a Fascist shithole. As far as I can tell most people around think that at the moment EU is the safest and most prosperous place to live in the World.
People did use to look up to the US maybe 2 decades ago and before, but then the long-term results of Neoliberal Capitalism started to reveal themselves and shitstains like this guy and Trump got into the scene (gleefully followed by the rest of the Republican party and even the Democrat party leadership) and the perception of the US went from "Prosperous Land Of Opportunity" to "Dangerous and Decaying Country".
The American Dream has been murdered and people like Musk are just plunging the knife a couple more times into its already cooling down corpse.
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There is quite a massive problem of europans increasingly choosing similary shitty politicians ( so far hungary and slovakia are the worst cases ).
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True.
It's still a smaller problem than the US and even the Far Right around these parts won't go down certain routes so popular in America (like the whole religious crap). Even the very overt association with the ultra rich you see in the US isn't popular in Europe with the Far-Right - they'll hapilly take their money, but only as long as it's done quietly.
Absolutelly, there has been copying of American politics by first the European mainstream parties (which is how Neoliberalism came over) and of late the Far-Right who also got a lot of money from the likes of the Koch Brothers (Steve Bannon very overtly came to Europe some years ago with money from them to "Boost Far-Right parties"), but it's done with very different twists and and that's why I doubt a guy with the Societal-awareness of a pretty dumb doorknob, like Musk, can actually twist for his own benefit what are essentially local movements fit to local thinking and exist for local crooks to get rich.
I'll give you a pretty interesting example of how these things are so adapted to local thinking: the Far-Right in The Netherlands, which predated the whole Steve Bannon thing by quite a lot - as far as I can tell it mainly got propelled to significance by the Theo van Gogh murder at the hands of an Islamist - was started by a guy - Pim Fortuyn - who from the start never hid that he was an homosexual. Even in most places in Europe this would be a big No-No for a Far-Right leader, worse so in the US, but in The Netherlands the mindset about sexual orientation is pretty much that it's all normal and as relevant as one's eye color, so for a Far-Right leader to have a sexual orientation other than the majority one was absolutelly fine because such things are irrelevant there.
This is the kind of differences of mindset that a guy like Musk faces if trying to influence politics in Europe. Sure, the Far-Right over here will take his money (they're crooked crooks, so they're fine with getting lots of money under the table) but any such party that actually followed his actual advices would end up overtaken by other Far-Right parties whose speech and politics were more adapted to the local thinking. Also being seen as associating with Musk would negativelly impact his vote, both because he is filthy rich and these parties capture a lot for vote from disenfranchised working class people and because he's a foreigner so the Nationalists instinctivelly distrust him.
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I would love to see him go to Europe and try to convince them all the rights they have there, need to be gotten rid of. 😂
"Listen, I know you get maternity leave, but you gotta ask yourself, is that hurting the billionaire class?"
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He'd be like "this will benefit you in the future when you become a billionaire yourself"
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Make Europe Great Again! Like how it was in 1940!!!
That is what he wants, right? He's all smoochy smoochie with far right European politicians, he's already "Hitler wasnt as bad as we think" wink wink...
Maybe he forgot how that great period ended, and what we did with the top level players, back then... Maybe he should be reminded about that?
I mean, obviously he forgot about all the pain and suffering and the millions of deaths, and he definitely doesn't care about that, but narsismusk loves himself over everything else, so a reminder of hour Nazi leaders ended might not be a bad idea
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Dear fellow lemmyfriends: underestimate European nationalism, low key racism and stupidity at your own peril. Europeans will not worship at the altar of Musk but they will worship at the altar of whichever local fascist stooge Musk funds.
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Elon is succeeding in uniting the world against billionaires.
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I really have nothing against European billionaires, unless they're russian.
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Please Elon, come to Europe!
We need you so bad here!
See you soon!
Luigi
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President Musk can fuck right off. Wtf does he know about Europe...
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Unfortunately, shitheads like him have a way of festering popularity. Strap in Europeans, you'll be seeing more of him, and many spawned mini me's like him
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Why does the person calling him unpopular have a blue checkmark?
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Not for long I guess :D
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If Trump starts with tariffs, EU can ban X and Tesla as retaliation.
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That's a good perspective re: Trump and his lobbying billionaires. More places to hit.
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What does -78% approval rating mean?
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A typo most likely. I think its referencing this
btw, someone happen to remember the tool to view tweets without giving the shit heel traffic?
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+100%: everyone loves him; 0%: nobody cares, or the love and hate are equally balanced; -100%: everyone hates him. It's clearer than a 0-100 scale with nobody cares at 50% because positive-only results imply a level of approval.
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(Lonnie dumb man voice) “it’s important that, uh, Europe change.”
Shut up, dude.
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What is "This will lead to the end of Europe" even supposed to mean? Will every inhabitant die? Will the land mass disintegrate?
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It is probably some wink at replacement theory stuff based on the parties he is supporting.
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Europe already "ended" and had "replacement" events so many times in the past it's hard to keep track. Yet it's still there.
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Fuck you elon don't you have videogames to lie about your skill level in?
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To be fair, I do feel fairly hopeless about my situation in Europe. But I'm happy I'm not in America and I know that any idea of Musk's will make things worse
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How do you get a negative “approval rating”? Wouldn’t the lowest be 0% ?
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Presumably 0% is neutral, -100% everyone disapproves.
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We don't need Ameritards trying to make our continent worse. Please just keep swimming in your own garbage and leave us alone.
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I'm all about making europe great again, but it's not the way this dumbass wants to do it lmao.
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Elon, please change yourself. Into plant food.
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One of the disappointments of rednote was learning how many Chinese people bought his "genius engineer progressing humanity" PR horseshit. But they seemed much more understanding when they learned how he treats his kids.
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The reason we don't have any of those nice things in the USA is due to multiple factors. But the one that bothers me the most is: conservative voters are willing and happy to let leopards eat their faces as long as the leopards say mean things about "liberals" while doing it.
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We have a lot of problems here in the UK but at least most of us think Musk is an idiot. That diver he called a paedophile way back was a point of national pride for us at the time, because he was British.
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B-B-But look at all those "l-l-likes" from his MAGA flock!!!
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Are we sure he's not talking about America?
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Brexit was just a hint of the plan. Break Europe up into the same oligarchy that America is.
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No the last time we let Europe make decisions on there own the Middle East happened. Europeans need to be held in a leash manner they can’t make decent decisions or history wouldn’t be such a shit show.
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And when the USA makes decisions "on there own" we have Talibans, almost nuclear wars, economic crisis, global spying of the Internet, and many more...
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Technically they’re just immigrants from Europe
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